Help - Vibration
Submitted: Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 15:18
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Col88
I need the collective brainpower here to help me find this problem.
I have an NL Pajero petrol manual that has a vibration that is more of a noise than a feeling, like a harmonic drone.
It occurs under hardish acceleration and between 90-115 kph. Right in freeway cruising speed range!
I had the tailshaft checked and it is OK, although I never really thought this was the problem as you can't feel the vibration anywhere - not in gear lever or transfer case or steering wheel or dash etc.
Three mechanics have told me it will be too hard to find and live with it as a 4WD with LT tyres is never going to be smooth.
Has anyone heard of this sort of thing or maybe some suggestions?
Thanks in advance.
Reply By: Willem - Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 15:56
Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 15:56
Could be anything................
1. Exhaust vibration at speed
2. Loose pasenger
seat
3. Wind on snorkel/aerial
4. Wind on loose mudflap
5. Tyre noise
6. Loose universal bolt
7. Wind in bullbar
The list could be endless....lol
Cheers
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Reply By: Member - Stephen M (NSW) - Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 16:13
Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 16:13
My Prado has the same thing around 110/115k and mainly once the torque converter has locked up but would class
mine more of a drone type thing than a vibration. Apparently more common in the series one prados in V6 form. Once I put the boot into it so the torque converter cuts out the sound/feeling goes. I just turn the cd up a bit more. But have driven other prados with the same thing so I know mines not a one off. Even thou yours is manual might be the same sort of thing. I suppose the only way is to change the muffler and see whether that stops it or not but an expensive way to go if it doesn't. Id be looking more at the exhaust then anything. If you are in say 5th gear at 90/115 and putting the boot down have you tried say whacking it back into 4th just to see if buy doing that you are changing the revs obviously upwards from say eg 3000 to 3500 and see whether the sound/feel goes or changes in any way. Just another thought in hopefully diagnosing the problem that's all. Regards Steve M
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Follow Up By: Col88 - Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 17:23
Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 17:23
Yeah, thanks mate,
I have tried putting the clutch in and letting engine idle and still have the noise. So it is road-speed related, not engine or exhaust resonance(from the engine anyway)
The fact that it does it under acceleration has got me stuffed, as it will do it in 2nd gear at 40-50k's because that is when there is alot of power going through the drivetrain.
Passenger
seat is tight as I put it back in after installing the CD stacker.
No bullbar,
snorkel or aerial other than standard.
Cheers
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Reply By: Ingtar - Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 18:45
Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 18:45
I was worried when my old 60 series started doing this... only through certain speeds. Then I remembered to unlock the hubs. :)
Of course when I say old 60, I mean it was old. And I don't know if the wheel alignment was any good, or the tailshaft balanced, or maybe bearings were on their way out. I just know that unlocking the hubs fixed it.
So... seeing as yours is a completely different car, with constant 4wd... all I'm suggesting in the end is maybe there's something in the front end.
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Reply By: kiwicol - Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 19:09
Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 19:09
Hi Col, could be tyre noise, try rotating tyres back to front,side to side, and rotate on rim. Have heard of different brands of tyres making all sorts of road noise. Col
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Reply By: Member - Ian F (WA) - Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 19:38
Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 19:38
Hi Col88,
Had a similar problem in the 80's with a Mazda 929 where around 95/110kph.
had one hell of a drone/vibration. As I was in the tyre
suspension game as a last resort I changed tyres to a different brand and was amazed at the difference (no noise at all.
We finally worked out there was harmonics between the exhaust noise and tyre road noise.
If you can try a different brand.
Ian
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Reply By: Col88 - Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 20:41
Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 20:41
This may be a stupid question, but can I take the tailshaft out and run it as a front wheel drive to check if it is the tailshaft?
The tyres have been balanced and rotated, they are worn slightly uneven, but I thought if it was tyre noise it would get worse as speed increases, something the tyre guys seemed to believe aswell.
Thanks for all your replies, someone will come up with something I'm sure.
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Reply By: bob&loz - Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 20:44
Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 20:44
Col
I would think it could be related to transfer case bearings or gearbox output shaft bearing
Bob
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Follow Up By: Col88 - Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 21:34
Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 21:34
You know what Bob, I reckon you may have it !!
When I had the tailshaft looked at, the guy showed me some play in the tailshaft as it exits the transfer case. He said though, when the car is lowered again, more spline would go in and in any case, it spins in oil and wouldn't transmit vibrations.
The fact that the vibrations are worse under harder acceleration has been making me think it was something to do with the tailshaft, which this is.
Maybe I'm on the track to smoooooth motoring.
Thanks
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Reply By: Middle Jeff - Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 22:10
Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 22:10
Hi Col88
This might sound silly but Pajeros do this, check the bash plate under the transfer box, if it is bent or even full of mud when you accelerate the motor can push onto it and it makes the same noise as you are describing. Hope it is something simple, whatever it is.
Have fun
Craig
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Reply By: Eric Experience - Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 22:58
Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 22:58
COL88
The bash plate is a good tip, but to prove the tyres are not the problem borrow a set of road tyres from a mate and run them for a day, tyre noise can change with throttle because the rubber bushes in the
suspension transmit more noise when they are loaded up. Eric.
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