High Octane Fuel

Submitted: Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 16:27
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READ THIS ON ANOTHER SITE !! With regard to Liberty 98, is that the one with 10% ethanol ?

If so, it is no good in pre 2000 Prado's as pre 2000 Prado's don't
have an exhaust oxygen sensor that feedbacks to the ECU. This means
that the engine won't tune to the higher octane.

Pre 2000 Prados rely on a fixed setting for fuel mixture,
changing octane will require the engine to be retuned via the fuel
mixture control. (black triangular looking thing with a set of
wires coming out it. It is located on right hand side of engine bay
just behind the lights - it's just a variable resistor in a moulded
tamper proof cover)

I tried the E10 petrol some time back and my fuel economy dropped
from approx 550km around town to 440km (Main tank only).

OK SO my question is, I am currently running both tanks out on the prado and WAS going to fill up with the top premium fuel just to try it out and see whether my consumption is any better and suppose to be better for the injectors, so will have to work out the extra expense on the higher grade fuel to fill up and to whether I get any more klms per tanks. BUT am I wasting money if the ECU is not going to be getting a feed back due to no oxygen sensor and already preset as mentioned above to I presume the 95% unleaded ???. Unless I'm reading the above incorrectly I might as well just keep filling with normal unleaded and save the $$ if its just going to be pumped out the rear end. Regards Steve M
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Reply By: Mal58 - Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 18:51

Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 18:51
Hi Steven,
Thank-you for quoting my comments from the Yahoo group. ;-)).

There are three revisions of the V6 Petrol 90/95 series Prado.

The first revision was built in 96/97, the second revision was built in 98/99 and the third revision was built 2000 to 2002.

There are some cosmetic differences such as inside door latches on the tail gate, 2nd row split seats, clip out third row seats, "fog" lights in the bumper bar etc.

In the engine department, the first two revisions did not have to meet the same emission rules as normal sedans. 4WD were exempt until 2000.

As such you will not find in the first two revisions,
a) A Catalytic Converter,
b) An Oxygen Sensor in the Exhaust.

Tuning, is carried out by the adjustment of the CO adjuster. (Term from the Workshop manual).

In summary terms, (ignoring the other sensors such as engine speed, air temp, air density, vacuum,throttle position etc) vehicles that are designed to take advantage of varying levels of octane fuel, the ECU needs to adjust the Air / Fuel mixture. The ECU does this by dynamically sensing the amount of oxygen in the exhaust gases. It adjusts the fuel / air ratios to obtain the maximum oxygen burn without over fuelling.

The first two revisions of Prado do not have the O2 sensor so logic suggests that the ECU must have a given fuel / air ratio that is mapped for the particular fuel octane rating.

It is my assessment (based on experience) that higher octane fuels in the first two revisions of 90 series Prado give very little advantage as a result. I did notice slightly smoother running, that is all.

Ethanol, adds another dimension though. Ethanol is often used as an octane booster. Ethanol in petrol alters the fuel density so what happens in a vehicle without Exhaust Oxygen feedback to the ECU, the ECU injects the amount of fuel it expects based on the normal petrol mapping, but because the ethanol mix is denser the engine effectively runs too rich, and uses more fuel. This certainly was my experience.

So unless you have a 2000 or later revision of Prado, I certainly wouldn't use ethanol based petrol in the version 1 & 2 Prados.

Conventional high octane fuel is less of a problem, because the density is about the same as normal unleaded. I doubt however you will get much advantage.

Cheers,
Mal58

(Wow, what a long post.)
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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen M (NSW) - Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 18:55

Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 18:55
Hi Mal, hope I didn't offend you by posting on here. Hence why I didn't put any names on here from the other post. Thanks for the info anyway some useful info for me. Regards Steve M
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Reply By: Mal58 - Saturday, Jun 30, 2007 at 10:16

Saturday, Jun 30, 2007 at 10:16
Hi Steve,
No offence taken. We don't know until we ask. I think some-one on this site has a quote like the "only dumb question, is one that is not asked."

Cheers,
Mal
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Follow Up By: everydoghasitsday - Saturday, Jul 07, 2007 at 01:04

Saturday, Jul 07, 2007 at 01:04
You will find that alot of stephens idea's and quotes come from some other form of website or mag that he has read or from a mate so like you say if you dont ask the dumb a..ss ? you or others want know the only way and the true way is to dyno the 4by's performance change fuels and dyno again and you will get the correct result just a thought ,,,,hope it doesn't offend any just my thought LOL..LOL

:) Dave
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