Great Central Road.

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Travelled from Bunbury in WA to Alice Springs via the Great Central and also took the short cut from Hyden to great Eastern hyw.The dirt sections were in good condition except for some corrugations but we were able to average around 100 klms per hour.Made the the trip to Ruby gap which is worth a look and a great spot to camp although a bit rough getting in.Ran my tyres at 30 psi on the dirt and gravel which made the trip comfortable but the tyres were cut up quite a bit and they were brand new.Will say what brand when the warranty claim is sorted.Does any one know the calculation is to convert the gps marks in the trek notes eg 128.159975 east 25.066021 south to some thing usable in my gps.There is nothing with that amount of numbers in wgs 84
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Reply By: kingswoodwagon - Saturday, Jun 30, 2007 at 12:46

Saturday, Jun 30, 2007 at 12:46
The co-ords you have given are decimal degrees,
You prob want degrees minutes and seconds.

Go to a site like www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/convertDMS and convert them there.

eg the conversion for the co-ord you mentioned is

25° 3' 57.6756" Latitude

128° 9' 35.9100" Longitude

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Reply By: Member - outback2 (WA) - Saturday, Jun 30, 2007 at 12:55

Saturday, Jun 30, 2007 at 12:55
Gidday...I think you were lucky not to have had trouble with youyr tyres...pressure needs to be up considerable to protect the tyre from damage when on rough, gravel stong ground etc....always a compromise between ride comfort and tyre protection..and I know someone will disagree with me.........thats their choice.but I am talking personaly from many many thousands of Km travel on bloody awful ground...and most people I have come across with tyre problems on that country have been running on lower presuure

The issue of co ordinates is simple.....Your GPS can display in easting and northings that is UTM's or in Lat . long.....Nothing to due with WGS 84 that is a map datum....The settings in your GPS can be altered to display either co ordinate system that you choose. Most will display a primary and a secondary on one of the nav screens so as you can read both if you are travelling in one but trying to find a reference in another

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Follow Up By: Member - outback2 (WA) - Saturday, Jun 30, 2007 at 13:01

Saturday, Jun 30, 2007 at 13:01
oopps !

I speed read the post and misread the co ord that you gave for an example...better follow the first answer from kingswood........
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Follow Up By: Member - Dunworkin (WA) - Saturday, Jun 30, 2007 at 13:03

Saturday, Jun 30, 2007 at 13:03
HI outback2, we are headed out that way in a few weeks time, what pressure would you reccomend on those kind of roads, ie: GCR & GRR?

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Follow Up By: Willem - Saturday, Jun 30, 2007 at 13:05

Saturday, Jun 30, 2007 at 13:05
Like you said.......disagree about tyre pressures.....lol

Running 25 to 28 psi on outback gravel roads preferable.

Better for tyres, better for shocks. better for suspension and better for comfort. Keep speed down.

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Follow Up By: Patrol22 - Saturday, Jun 30, 2007 at 14:47

Saturday, Jun 30, 2007 at 14:47
Agree entirely Willem......lower pressures = better comfort and less stresses on the undercarriage components. 25-28 psi and 80km max would be my recommendation.
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Saturday, Jun 30, 2007 at 17:10

Saturday, Jun 30, 2007 at 17:10
I'm for low pressures too. In South Aus, it seems to be the go.
Its mainly the west Aussies who like splits and high pressures - maybe things are different there???????
I've had 2 punctures in 8 years now, and I travel a heap, and like the remote areas. So I'll keep doing what I'm doing which is pressures in mid 20's for stone and gravel and decent tubeless tyres.
I'm guessing teh chipped tyres are most likely BFG ATKO, and second likely Coopers ST or STC.
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Follow Up By: Member - Pesty (SA) - Saturday, Jun 30, 2007 at 19:55

Saturday, Jun 30, 2007 at 19:55
Think Outback was looking for a bite, and he has at least 4 so far ahahah
Yep 28 psi for me no mater wether i was running normal tyres or cheese cutters.
Have had great run from tyres this way.

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Follow Up By: Member - outback2 (WA) - Saturday, Jun 30, 2007 at 21:06

Saturday, Jun 30, 2007 at 21:06
Tyre pressures........I knew it...and what it would open up

..all I can say is that over the many years I don't think there is a piece of WA outback that I haven't travelled...and a lot of it repeat excursions.....and some terrible road conditions at times (and the Great Central by the way as well)....and believe it or not 2 punctures in total...both on the rear and both simultaneously !....and my own stupid fault......the car was on its last trip and being traded upon our return...so the tyres should not have been taken out there.....low in tread

I am happy to sacrifice ride comfort to keeping air in them and no damage...subject to load my minimum is around 50psi......met a German couple in a hire vehicle on the GRR 3 weeks ago.....they had been told to go for lower pressures...they had no repair gear and I repaired the 2 flats I found them broken down with...encouraged them to raise the pressures and we escorted them for the next 24 hours whilst they got their confidence back....no more flats either

high psi works for me as no doubt the opposite works for others...bit like Nissan /Toyota or Waeco / Engel but we wont go there !!

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Reply By: Member - Dunworkin (WA) - Saturday, Jun 30, 2007 at 13:05

Saturday, Jun 30, 2007 at 13:05
Thanks for the report graimejohn, we are headed out that way in a few weeks.

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Reply By: Member - Doug T (W.A) - Saturday, Jun 30, 2007 at 13:09

Saturday, Jun 30, 2007 at 13:09
If your using a Garmin don't add those little ° dots like that because it won't work

and this is your Co-Oedination in hddd.mm'ss's

S25 03 57.7 E128 09 35.9
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Reply By: The Rambler( W.A.) - Saturday, Jun 30, 2007 at 13:14

Saturday, Jun 30, 2007 at 13:14
Agree with outback2 entirely as to keeping tyre pressures up on the rough stony stuff.Also depends on the type of tyre but on my split rims Iwill have a minimum of 45lbs when loaded on the rough stuff and never had any serious tyre problems.Seen plenty of low pressure "fatties" destroyed by running too low pressures.Again only my opinion from years of experience.
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Reply By: The Explorer - Saturday, Jun 30, 2007 at 13:15

Saturday, Jun 30, 2007 at 13:15
Strange your GPS doesn"'t have decimal degree display for coords - most do. Finding the setting that displays the coordinates in the format you want will be easier than entering data into spreadsheets/calculators¡Kand then re-entering them into GPS (it would even be easier if you used OziExplorerƒº.

What GPS make and model do you have? If you disclose this infoI am sure someone her will be able to clarify if it is possible or not and make your life easier. Typically options to change display coordinates are in the setup section of the menu under coordinates systems or some similar title.

If you in fact don"'t have a GPS that is capable of showing decimal degrees, apart from method already described the conversion process is simple maths.

In the example you show the first whole number is the degrees (i.e. 128).

To get whole minutes just multiply decimal section of the number by 60 (i.e. 0.159975 x 60 = 9.5985). The first whole number is minutes (i.e. 9).

To get whole seconds multiply decimal section of the minute result by 60 (i.e. 0.5985 x 60 = 35.910).

This number represents seconds which you can round up to 36 if you have to. So 128.159975¢X = 128¢X 09' 35.910"

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Reply By: graemejohn - Saturday, Jun 30, 2007 at 15:32

Saturday, Jun 30, 2007 at 15:32
Thanks for all the replies.Gps is a Magellan explorist xl with discov aust tracks and had a model gp15 for over 10 years.Both very easy to use but tried all settings and cant find one with that amount of numbers.Aus 84 was close but not the same.Showed all the guys where i work who have a gps and none of them could figure those numbers out.Wgs 84 on my unit has 3 settings and i usually use degrees minutes and seconds.Tried 80 kph but 100 was smoother going once up to speed.Guy that owns tyre shop has same 2005 model turbo hilux with a heavier tray,mine is a roscos ali canopy set up for fishing and camping and he runs the same tyres at 32 psi.Will see what head office says, but he has seen it happen before and recons the compound is to hard.For anyone going soon some good spots to camp are empress spring a bit off the road where David Carnegie nearly came to grief but camp back down the road about half a kay and docker river was nice with sunsets over the ranges fireplaces and flushing toilots to keep the laidies happy.Collect wood before you get to docker river.Very cold at night with minus 4 one night and zero the norm.Lots of camels with over 800 shot at Warakuna in a week because they were pulling air cons off the walls to get at water.Saw two cats in the middle miles from any water,thought dingos might kill them tru survivors those things.Back on tyres.Most of our fishing is on the south coast and at one spot have to deflate to 10 psi and have never had a problem rolling a tyre or puntures if you go steady.Also the central road was far better than expected.
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Follow Up By: Willem - Saturday, Jun 30, 2007 at 16:57

Saturday, Jun 30, 2007 at 16:57
Did Empress Spring have any water in it Graeme?

Was empty last year when we investigated it.

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Follow Up By: The Explorer - Saturday, Jun 30, 2007 at 19:29

Saturday, Jun 30, 2007 at 19:29
Ok - Firstly you are confusing datums (WGS84, AUS84, AUS66) with coordinates systems (Latitude and longitude, UTM). Lat/Long can be represented as decimal degrees (as is the coords you first mentioned) , degrees and decimal seconds, degrees minutes and decimal seconds or just plain old degrees minutes and seconds. UTM is in metres and is represented by an easting (6 digit number) and northing (a 7 digit number). UTM also requires a Zone number eg 50.

All the coordinate systems can be shown using an XL - you need to change the display coordinate system to decimal degrees if you wish to enter the info directly - do this start GPS

Press MENU
Use the Arrow joystick to highlight Preferences
Press ENTER
Use the Arrow joystick to highlight Map Units
Press ENTER
Use the Arrow joystick to highlight the data field for Coord System
Press ENTER
Use the Arrow joystick to highlight Lat/Long
Press ENTER
Use the Arrow joystick to highlight DEG.DDDDD
Press ENTER
Press escape key to get back to nav screen

GPS will now except decimal degrees when you manually input coordinates.
Funny as it may seem its all in the user manual

http://www.magellangps.com/assets/manuals/eXplorist_XL_en.pdf

Page number 75 (or 85)

It is also important to make sure the GPS datum matches the datum of the data you are entering. This is a different issue. WGS84 should be fine for data you mention.

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Follow Up By: graemejohn - Saturday, Jun 30, 2007 at 22:24

Saturday, Jun 30, 2007 at 22:24
Thanks Greg,actually know how to do all that but got confused because the trek notes had 6 decimal numbers and the gps only had 5 so thought one had to be wrong.
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Follow Up By: The Explorer - Saturday, Jun 30, 2007 at 23:07

Saturday, Jun 30, 2007 at 23:07
No worries - Suppose the number of decimal places is dependent on source of information. Any number can be quoted to 1 or 1 million decimal places (and more). If your gps only has room for 5 then just round up/down (which it seems you have realised now). It wont be wrong just (theoretically) less accurate. OziExplorer goes to 6 decimal places - eXplorist to 5 - difference in accuracy is less than 5m max - not an issue as that is within the accuracy range of handheld GPS anyway and more that accurate enough for recreational 4WDers.
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Reply By: graemejohn - Saturday, Jun 30, 2007 at 18:48

Saturday, Jun 30, 2007 at 18:48
No Wiillem it was empty, bit of a let down if that had happened to Carnegie.
Must have been hard going walking through that country to Halls creek and back.We also camped at Niagra Dam and that was a nice spot as well,plenty of wood next to the old rail line on the way in.
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Follow Up By: Willem - Saturday, Jun 30, 2007 at 19:40

Saturday, Jun 30, 2007 at 19:40
THanks for the info

There is a nice campsite about 1km north of Empress Spring set inside a Mulga thicket. And that is about the only campsite there is along the David Carnegie Road all the way up the Eagle Hwy untill you get Eagle Hussar Bore.

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