Anti sway/weight distribution bars etc
Submitted: Tuesday, Jul 03, 2007 at 12:06
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youngharry52
Hi all,
I am looking at buying a Jayco Destiny Outback van to be towed by my Mitsi Challenger. Couple of questions, if thats ok,
Has anyone had any experience with the Jayco outback, good bad or otherwise? Not really looking at bush bashing, probably just corrugations etc.
Is it worth putting independent
suspension on the van?? I see that the Kedron ATV doesn't use it.
Should the HR be used with a Hyland hitch given that they will restrict its rotation capabilities.
Regards
Chris
Reply By: ddr - Tuesday, Jul 03, 2007 at 12:21
Tuesday, Jul 03, 2007 at 12:21
Firstly read very carefully Jayco's warranty coverage when the van is used on corrugations, from reports ive heard its not what you want to hear (Reports from someone in the industry).
Also use the WHD when onroad only, & take it off if you need the extra abilities of the hitch. This is what most do with offroad Vans & only takes a min.
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Follow Up By: ddr - Tuesday, Jul 03, 2007 at 12:39
Tuesday, Jul 03, 2007 at 12:39
Found it.
"The following items are not covered under Jayco’s warranty:
>> Impact or stone damage to body, chassis and running gear.
>> Soiling of fabrics and internal fitments from dust or other
air- bourne substances
>>
Water damage due to
creek crossings
>> Movement or damage caused by dislodgment of appliances
and fittings resulting from use on corrugated or uneven
surfaces
>> Use on roads or tracks described above as not being
suitable.
>> General damage arising from misuse is not covered by
warranty."
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Reply By: youngharry52 - Tuesday, Jul 03, 2007 at 16:47
Tuesday, Jul 03, 2007 at 16:47
Thanks DDR, I have had a look at their warranty now. Very interesting, best I ask the salesman about this..........
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Follow Up By: ddr - Tuesday, Jul 03, 2007 at 21:02
Tuesday, Jul 03, 2007 at 21:02
Or buy second hand & forget the warranty.
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Reply By: Wizard1 - Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 10:00
Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 10:00
WARNING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You will have problems attaching a WDH to any van that has had the hitch located to the bottom of the draw bar like the Outback version has. Go to the Jayco User Group site on Yahoo and read the problems. Go to Carvanners
forum and see some very disturbing pictures.
Seems there is some !@#$ ADR that require the hitch to not exceed a certain height off the ground. So to do this they widen the end of the drawbar A frame apex and relocate the base plate on the bottom and attach the hitch. The problem this causes is most WDH couplings can't go that low and end up causing bottom out problems, some only sitting 6 inches off the ground, not good when going off road.
Have a look at one in the yard. If it were me I'd hitch one up, in the yard to my car and see what the problems are.
I have a Hyland and its fine to use a WDH. You should only remove them if you expect to travel raod and tracks where you intend to do some serious articulation which I don't think you are.
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Follow Up By: ddr - Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 11:27
Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 11:27
Whilst true its not all that difficult, time consuming or expensive to have an additional normal hitch & Hyland ball to swap over before the going gets tough.
I dont have a Jayco, but an offroad van with a thicker chassis than the Jayco & same setup with the a-frame, but still use a WDH. I also have the normal Nissan Hitch & Hyland ball sitting in the back of the car IF/WHEN the going requires swapping, then there are no issues with ground clearance.
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Follow Up By: Wizard1 - Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 13:49
Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 13:49
ddr,
I'm not exactly sure if your on the same scipt of music.
My advice was regarding the problems a lot of owners have had with the adherance to the ADR by positioning the coupling on the van at the bottom of the frame (so it doesn't exceed the 420mm height off the ground), not the top which was the traditional setup and still is for most "road" vans with the smaller box frame.
If you check the sites I listed you will note a plaethora of problems trying to use a WDH with the lowered coupling on the frame. In fact several Hayman Reese hitches couldn't lower the ball anymore. I know several owners that have had to fit spacers to raise the coupling higher on the frame baseplate.
Your advice about the Hyland ball, etc is a little strange. I have a Hyland and use my normal Hayman Reese WDH. I see no reason to swap over, all you need to do is remove the bars to facilitate added articulation. Darren Hyland didn't seem to think it was an issue. Also if you have one of the later hitches then a normal 50mm ball is fine, you don't need a special Hyland one, unless you tow over 2000 kg.
My advice was to help a prospective owner ahve to deal with fix-ups for a problem after they
gate the van rather than be aware of them up front and perhaps avoid dramas later.
Cheers
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Follow Up By: ddr - Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 14:49
Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 14:49
I had already read previous said sites, But was offering a way around the situation. I know full
well the issue so I understand the script & am very much part of it with my van also.
The note on swapping hitches was that if you need MORE ground clearance than what the HR Hitch will give, you can swap over negating the issue whilst offroad.
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Reply By: youngharry52 - Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 12:04
Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 12:04
Thanks very much guys for your assistance
Regards
Chris
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