electric brakes absolutely necessary??
Submitted: Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 14:26
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samsmum
Hi
We are new to the carvanning world and have just bought the 25th anniversary edition of the Jayco Hawk second hand. It is a 1996 model.
We have a Nissan X-Trail and have been given differing opinions on whether we need to install electric brakes to tow the Jayco Hawk. We rung Nissan to see what they thought and they said we wouldn't need them. The caravan dealership we called said we should get them installed. We are very confused!
Some people have said we can 'get away with it', others have said it MUST be done.
Just interested to know what the general consensus is?
I, myself am definitely inclined to get them installed. We have had three quotes and all are about $300 for the hot wired electric brakes.
Thanks in advance
Kris
Hoping some light can be shed on this.
Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 14:41
Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 14:41
Kris,
Looking at the specs for the Jayco Hawk, the tare weight specified is 910KG, so some type of brakes should already be fitted. Any trailer over 750KG must have brakes fitted.
At that weight you probably only need "overide brakes" actuated by the tow coupling.
I have overide brakes on my 1100KG Camper Trailer and find them very good.
The quotes you received would only be for the cabling and electric brake controller surely?
If the Camper has electric brakes installed already I would fit an electric controller to the X-Trail. If it has mechanical brakes there should already be a plunger type mechanism on the tow coupling and this should be adequate for your needs.
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Reply By: Member - Tour Boy- Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 14:44
Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 14:44
Hi I assume the van already has them installed and you only need to do the tow vehicle. If this is the case and you have a prang you may not be covered as you don't have the brakes working as designed.
I have heard that the authorities in QLD are setting up roadside stops for caravanners and checking them for legalities.
But in general, talk to the RTA and they will inform you of the ratio of vehicle to caravan weight limits and who needs brakes and who doesn't.
Regards
Tour Boy
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Reply By: ddr - Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 15:43
Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 15:43
Xtrail Specs show
Towing capacity
- with trailer brakes (kg) 2000
- without trailer brakes (kg) 750
- towball download (kg) 150
Hawk is 890kg in the normal pack & 1025kg in the offroad pack. Legally you need brakes to tow the van.
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Follow Up By: David from David and Justine Olsen's 4WD Tag-Along - Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 17:20
Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 17:20
Yes you need brakes, but do you need eletric brakes? What is the trailer fitted with...seems most Jayco off-roaders come with electric brakes these days. If it has electric brakes fitted, then you are required to have them working, given the combination specs and vehicle specs. If it has override brakes then stick with those, since modifying the tailer would be costly.
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Reply By: Rosco - Qld - Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 20:15
Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 20:15
Go with the brakes. You only need one panic stop to make you say to your other half ... crikey !!!! ... or something similar, if not a tad more blue.
Cheers
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Reply By: Member - Bucky (VIC) - Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 20:31
Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 20:31
Why take the chance ,, just get them fitted, and you will never look back
Cheers
Bucky
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Reply By: _gmd_pps - Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 20:33
Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 20:33
750kg - 2t overun brakes to at least one axle
>2t you need electric over hydraulic or air brakes on all axles ..
so your fine with just the overun brakes ..
I have a 2t boat trailer with overun brakes .. no problems ..
don't get talked into something you don't need ..
have fun
gmd
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Follow Up By: Tony - Thursday, Jul 05, 2007 at 08:30
Thursday, Jul 05, 2007 at 08:30
I thought a tralier/Van 2t and over had to have electric brake away brakes fitted.
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Follow Up By: _gmd_pps - Thursday, Jul 05, 2007 at 12:16
Thursday, Jul 05, 2007 at 12:16
actually that was what I thought but when I converted my boat trailer from US to OZ in February the pits was happy with 2t and overrun brakes .. it is rated down to 2t from 2.7t as it was in the US and has simple overrun brakes. Over 2t you need break away brakes ..
well that was WA in January .. all I can tell you ..
I am working on a custom trailer at the moment and have two companies involved and both said the same thing .. up to 2 no problem .. over 2 it gets expensive :)) ..
have fun
gmd
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Reply By: AndrewX - Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 20:39
Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 20:39
I think you are very confused about the whole question of brakes on your van. Surely the van already has brakes fitted. If the brakes on the van are electric brakes your only option is to fit a control unit to your car. If your van doesn't have electric brakes then it will have "override" brakes and you need do nothing as they are activated by the deceleration of the tow vehicle.
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Reply By: swampy66 - Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 23:11
Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 23:11
We towed our Camper Trailer and then the Jayco flight with X-
Trails very
well over the past 5 years.
We now have a Jayco Eagle and fitted electric brakes to our current X-Trail due to the Eagles weight.
There a must in my opinion.
Goodluck
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Reply By: Wizard1 - Thursday, Jul 05, 2007 at 08:39
Thursday, Jul 05, 2007 at 08:39
Sorry but its not the sort of thing you can make a consensus about....ITS THE LAW!!!!! This is the second such question about this subject in the last week.
I would have assumed you would comply with the manufacturers requirements mentioned in another reply about towing limits.
Please have a look at the attached document which is the National Standards for trailer including caravans, etc...If you are not complying with this then it is illegal.
http://www.dotars.gov.au/roads/safety/bulletin/pdf/vsb_01.pdf
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Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic)&Moses - Thursday, Jul 05, 2007 at 12:16
Thursday, Jul 05, 2007 at 12:16
Wizard, very good of you to post on building trailers but the question is to the requirement of electric or over-ride. It's the law to have em, yes, but....... which?
I would advise electric where any trailer has the capacity to push the car. I love em.
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Follow Up By: Wizard1 - Thursday, Jul 05, 2007 at 14:20
Thursday, Jul 05, 2007 at 14:20
No I read the post again and again and again and it was whether to have their Xtrail wired up for electric brakes or quote "Some people have said we can 'get away with it', others have said it MUST be done. There seemed to be a difference of advice and some foolish suggestion by a Nissan dealer that they don't need them.
I read nothing about deciding between override and electric. The Design Rules provide the guide to building trailers and caravans and the types of braking systems they are permitted to have.
From that a person would deduce that if the trailer over 750 KG MUST be fitted with brakes then you would naturally assume that the tow vehicle have the means of operating them.
Since their van has electric I can't see why over-rides are an issue? In addition the manufacturer specs require a braking system over 750 kg as
well. Seems simple to me...but over-ride, what the......
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Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic)&Moses - Thursday, Jul 05, 2007 at 22:11
Thursday, Jul 05, 2007 at 22:11
"electric brakes absolutely necessary??" is an integral part of the question posed I would have thought and still do. It is the heading.
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Reply By: samsmum - Thursday, Jul 05, 2007 at 09:53
Thursday, Jul 05, 2007 at 09:53
Thanks for all your replies. Much appreciated.
Sorry I miscommunicated myself, we only need the unit fitted to the X-Trail as the van has the brakes.
It's not a matter of whether we are deliberately flaunting the law, that would not enter the equation, we are simply brand new to caravans and all the info that goes with them and need to learn all we can, so hence posted here for good advice.
Call us naive or maybe just absolute beginners, but we all had to start at this point didn't we.
Thanks again
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Follow Up By: ddr - Thursday, Jul 05, 2007 at 12:34
Thursday, Jul 05, 2007 at 12:34
Ive heard the Technoshia Prodidgy(sp?) is a fantastic brake controller.
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Follow Up By: Wizard1 - Thursday, Jul 05, 2007 at 14:28
Thursday, Jul 05, 2007 at 14:28
If I can offer another piece of advice to a newby. When seeking information or advice about anything caravanning ring a caravan dealer or repairer. When I bought my first van the dealer told me what I needed and fitted it all. I realise your not buying from a dealer, but where to get the right help.
As you may have noticed the Nissan dealer is,
well lets not mince words..an idiot..to suggest you don't need a brake controller. Correct nformation like this is also available from your state transport authority as
well.
Most of these numpties don't know the first thing about caravans and braking systems. Which I learned first hand when I had my trailer wiring stuffed up when I bought my car as they didn't know which pin powered the van and had the reverse light circuit hooked up instead! Not withstanding the fact I needed a brake controller as
well.
Good luck in the adventure that comes with learning more about caravanning.
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