Sand Pegs For Fraser Island
Submitted: Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 17:38
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Cram
Hi again, another question for those that have travelled to Fraser Island. Was wondering what size sand pegs are needed for
camping on the island. There are obviously a large variety of sizes in these pegs so would appreciate some expert guidance and opinion from the people on Exploroz.
Thanks in advance.
Cram
Reply By: Heefers - Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 17:48
Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 17:48
G'day Cram
I use old star pickets cut down and staked at one end with a hook welded to the other end. Probably a bit of overkill but have never had one pull out of the sand (until I wanted it out). Have fun at Fraser.
Cheers Heffers
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Follow Up By: Cram - Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 17:50
Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 17:50
Thanks Heffers, how far down do you cut them?
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Follow Up By: Heefers - Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 17:57
Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 17:57
I made
mine about 550mm long which is probably a bit excessive but like I said, they've never failed. Sometimes takes a bit of persuading to remove. Also make sure you round off the edges really
well and or cap the tops with something to prevent too much damage to your feet/shins in the night.
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Follow Up By: Heefers - Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 17:58
Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 17:58
Forgot to ask what do you need to peg down?
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Follow Up By: Cram - Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 18:18
Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 18:18
We have a
camping trailer so need to peg down the tent and probably a tarp off the end of that, we are staying in
camping ground at Cathederal Beach
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Follow Up By: Member - MrBitchi (QLD) - Thursday, Jul 05, 2007 at 07:54
Thursday, Jul 05, 2007 at 07:54
Mate, the standard 300mm plastic pegs will do fine. The ground in Cathedral campground is pretty firm and it's pretty much out of the wind.
Have fun.
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Reply By: Member - Norm C (QLD) - Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 18:02
Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 18:02
If you are behind the dunes or in one of the
camp grounds it is not normally a big issue. Normal pegs about 250mm long work for us. But if you
camp in an exposed area, serious pegs are required.
We sometimes put the awning on the roof of the 4B out when on
the beach. We use plastic sand pegs about 400mm long when we do that.
Norm C
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Reply By: Member - extfilm (NSW) - Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 19:14
Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 19:14
Probably the cheapest (Was for me anyway. I picked them up off a road job that was throwing them away!!!!)
I use 1 metre lengths of 32mm conduit, they are light and incredibly strong. Just use the back of an axe or lump hammer to get them in the sand. Have had a tarp up on Fraser island on
the beach in a howling wind and all was good........ Only problem was the rope I was using was not up to scratch...... Yes another gift from a building site.... That blue and yellow rope. I have thrown away 40kms of it in the last 8 weeks. And about to throw away another 12kms of it away in the next 2 days.
Go the conduits not Star pickets. Star pickets will cause serious injury if fallen on. We had a guy fall on one that did not have protection and was impaled in the rear and scrotum....... OUCH!!!!!! I do carry 10 star pickets but only to be used for recovery purposes only
1 metre lengths of conduit still protude out of the ground by about 500 or 600 but will bend if walked into at night.
They are hollow and very easy to pull out of the ground also...... I always carry enough conduit tarp and pegs in the ute at all times.
You will probably find a 4mtr conduit will be cheaper than 4 sand pegs.
Have a great trip
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Follow Up By: Cram - Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 19:20
Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 19:20
I have plenty of coduit lying around but I can't work out how you attach the roap to round conduit?
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Follow Up By: Member - extfilm (NSW) - Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 19:26
Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 19:26
There is a knot I use called a round turn and 2 half hitches....... it is like a one way slip knot. the further you tighten in the stronger the hold is.
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Follow Up By: Member - Oldplodder (QLD) - Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 19:46
Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 19:46
clove hitch?
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Follow Up By: Member - extfilm (NSW) - Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 20:09
Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 20:09
No not a clove hitch. And sorry after a quick search it is not called a round turn and 2 half hitches. And yes 2 half hiches make a clove hitch..... :)
There was a beaut post here on knots a few months back which had every knot and how to do them. It was also animated with great pictures on how to do the knots.
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Follow Up By: Tony - Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 21:04
Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 21:04
Try a "Rolling Hitch"
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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 21:05
Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 21:05
Try this site (maybe) www.animatedknots.com/
Cheers
Richard
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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 21:08
Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 21:08
Now this the one Site Link
Round Turn and Two Half Hitches
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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 21:11
Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 21:11
all sites thanks to GoneTroppo Member (FNQ)
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Follow Up By: Member - extfilm (NSW) - Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 21:55
Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 21:55
Yep that was the site I was lookingfor but I cannot find the knot that I am looking for.
That site is a great site too
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Reply By: Member - Bucky (VIC) - Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 20:17
Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 20:17
In sand I use star pickets ( steel variety ), I had the plastic ones but they are not up to it.
You can get the concreters ones that are 200 or 300 mm long, and they work a treat
Any good hardware store will have them.
Cheers
Bucky
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Follow Up By: Member - Bucky (VIC) - Friday, Jul 06, 2007 at 08:24
Friday, Jul 06, 2007 at 08:24
Opps made a slight error in the length of my star pickets, ( darn, night shift )
My pickets are 600mm long, and work a treat in sand. And if the weather gets up I can really drive them in
In normal weather I just use the biggest heavy duty pegs I can get. You cant hurt them, no matter how hard the ground is
Have been caught out in really strong winds, along from
Ouyen , and the big plastic ones, but they give it up, too soon. The ground was sandy too.
That's why I use steel pickets, beats replacing them all the time.
Cheers
Bucky
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Reply By: AndrewX - Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 20:30
Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 20:30
Cram longer pegs will go further into sand than short pegs. Therefore, long pegs will give you a better grip on terr firma or is it sanda firms? It's not rocket science Cram! Enjoy your stay and don't get bogged!
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Reply By: ian.m - Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 21:29
Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 21:29
i use threaded gal rod 10mm by 800 in length all up one end bent over have 10 of these and used them 3 times on fraser on beach front with no probs. my tent is a
southern cross 12x10 with 19x12 awning the threaded rod seems to hold the sand and they are easy to pull and pack away.
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Reply By: Mick - Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 22:04
Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 22:04
Cram I'm not happy about the advice given to use star pickets, piping and for that matter conduit. They are all downright dangerous and one poster actually recounted the misfortunes that befell one poor fellow who had an encounter with star pickets. If I or any of my family was injured by a star picket used not for its intended purpose and placed in a way which endangered the public, I would have them in court before you could say Eliza Fraser.
Cram, here is the way to do it:
Go to a
Camping store. Buy the longest, thickest sand pegs you can find. If you can't find the longest and thickest go to another
camping store. When you have found the longest, thickest pegs available, drive each one almost into the sand and hook the tent tab/spring onto the peg. Drive it further into the sand so that it is below the sand level (think of the kids in bare feet etc). Note: Be sure that the peg is driven into the sand at an angle of approximately 45degrees and facing away from the tent/rope. In cases of very high winds,
park your vehicle on the windward side of your tent and secure storm guys from your tent to your bull bar or towbar. In case of very very high winds retreat to shelter at
Rainbow beach or Urangan. In case of very very very high winds retreat south to
Brisbane and a comfortable hotel. Cheers and don't get bogged, though somehow I think you will! :)
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Follow Up By: Member - Jeff H (QLD) - Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 22:22
Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 22:22
Don't any of us dig a hole and lie a bit of drift wood in it any longer?
Even plastic bags, in moderate conditions.
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Follow Up By: Member - Jeff H (QLD) - Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 22:26
Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 22:26
Sorry Mick, a 'reply' was intended.
Jeff.
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Reply By: chisel - Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 22:15
Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 22:15
I reckon if you're just
camping with a normal tent in not-too-exposed situation all you'll need is a few 200-300mm sand pegs. If you have a tarp or big awning you'll probably need a few more. I've never needed anything bigger than that, but I have seen some huge tarps up which would obviously need more.
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Reply By: Member - Robyn J (QLD) - Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 22:27
Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 22:27
Have travelled to Fraser yearly for last 20 years and have never had a problem with whichever type of tent or trailer we have used. We carry two sizes of sand pegs, the shorter ones and the longer ones. Always put the longer ones out on the awing or the side that will take most of the wind. If forcaste is for really windy weather will double rope the corner poles if they are taking the brunt of the wind. With our camper trailer we still only use steel pegs to peg out the base of the camper but with the dome tent we used steel pegs for the corners and small sand pegs for the fly. As you are
camping off
the beach you will not have any problems because you are away from
the beach which at times can be quite windy given some of the conditions. We also use 4 long pegs for our shower surround as the surround supports 20 litres of
water above our heads and we have never had a problem with using the longer pegs for this although we still use steel pegs around the baqse of the shower.
Have just got back from the Island. Keep a good
lookout for whales we saw them everyday last week. One of the reasons I prefer to
camp on the open beach.
Barges from
Inskip Point have just gone up $135 for car and trailer and depending on when you are going you may not be able to drive around
Hook Point.
Cheers
Robyn
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Reply By: Brian B (Brisbane) - Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 22:31
Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 22:31
Hi Cram,
We spend a lot of time with our camper on sand at Fraser, Moreton, Straddie and around
Double Island Point. We use normal sand pegs you get at the
camping store which are around the 300mm mark in length and on most occasions these are great. We do carry some 400mm ones which I would use if the weather gets a bit extreme.
Between these and some good guyropes with springs, we don't have to many dramas.
Enjoy Fraser.
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Reply By: Member - Tim - Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 23:22
Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 23:22
We have camped at Cathedral Beach once a year for about the last 8 years. The sand there is pretty hard and it is
well protected by trees so most of any wind goes over the top. We put up a large tarp for a group and use large standard pegs (probably about 400-500mm long) and have never had any problems. We use smaller ones than that for the tent or the camper we took up a couple of times. We also have some large pegs that are not a star picket but are angle iron with the hook welded on the top. One of the posts above is right though about the damage this can do to your toes. When we used to use these
camping down at
Fingal I quite often took chunks out of my feet. A normal peg can be bashed right in and is rounded over the top anyway. You might need something different if
camping in the dunes down on
the beach but Cathedral is fine with a big peg.
Tim.
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Follow Up By: Member - Tim - Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 23:26
Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 23:26
One other thing I forgot - always use springs or rubber loops on your ropes and they will not pull the pegs out of the sand anywhere near as much. We have proven this when we got in late and couldn't be bothered setting up properly till the next day only to be out in the rain in the middle of the night sitting on the tarp trying to hold it down (not at Cathedral though).
Tim.
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Reply By: neptune - Thursday, Jul 05, 2007 at 08:11
Thursday, Jul 05, 2007 at 08:11
I reckon the best ones to use are the yellow sand pegs from BCF. I think they are made out of polyethylene, They are very strong and dont bend up at the point like the black ones if you hit a root. they come in 2 sizes, but not sure what the sizes are.
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Reply By: markcas - Thursday, Jul 05, 2007 at 08:29
Thursday, Jul 05, 2007 at 08:29
We use 300-400mm Sand pegs with car tube cut into 20-30mm strips instead of springs very strong and very cheap.
Regards Mark
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Reply By: fujimiester - Thursday, Jul 05, 2007 at 09:51
Thursday, Jul 05, 2007 at 09:51
Don't throw that rope away, that is the best stuff around. Just send it to me or I will pik it up if you are in
Melbourne.
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Follow Up By: Member - extfilm (NSW) - Friday, Jul 06, 2007 at 00:38
Friday, Jul 06, 2007 at 00:38
Mate today I have 2.4 kms that is goin in the bin.....
Tomorrow I hope to have 8kms to go in the bin........ I really don't care what happens to it......... If you want it I will send it as long as you pay for postage........ I am happy to recycle...... I am in
sydney.
Send me an email via my website and the offer will only last until saturday... Not keen on having rubbish in the back of the ute...........
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Follow Up By: Member - extfilm (NSW) - Friday, Jul 06, 2007 at 00:40
Friday, Jul 06, 2007 at 00:40
By the way it has been used once and could be a little frayed, heat damaged or frayed
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Reply By: Member - greg S (QLD) - Thursday, Jul 05, 2007 at 15:34
Thursday, Jul 05, 2007 at 15:34
G'day Cram,
We have the
orange plastic sand pegs that are around 450-500mm long. Have used these for a while now and have only broken one (I hammered it in too far at a caravan park and couldn't get it out, so gave it a shove from side to side). I went for
orange for safety reasons, as they can be seen a bit easier. Some plastic sand pegs usually the yellow ones seem to be made of a more brittle plastic than the black or
orange pegs. We do have some of the yellow pegs(200mm), because at the time these were the only small plastic sand pegs I could find (we use these for the shower cubicle)
Now we have 2 complete sets of pegs, one set of plastic and one set of steel. We usually know where we are going and only take the set we need.
Have fun shopping......
Cheers Greg
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Reply By: Member - Raymond S (QLD) - Saturday, Jul 07, 2007 at 13:09
Saturday, Jul 07, 2007 at 13:09
There is a peg that was designed just recently by an aussie & is a screw in peg which u twist into the sand till the eye is just protruding above the groung, then tie your rope to it. apparently you can not pull it out by hand u have to wind it back out. I believe it is blue in colour & will be avaliable in camping stores soon. If u know what a post hole orga on the back of a tractor is then imagine a small one of those.
Ragards Ray S.
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Follow Up By: Axel [ the real one ] - Saturday, Jul 07, 2007 at 18:04
Saturday, Jul 07, 2007 at 18:04
BCF have em ,2 different sizes , not exactly cheap though.
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Reply By: G.T. - Monday, Jul 09, 2007 at 11:26
Monday, Jul 09, 2007 at 11:26
A square piece of plywood ( marine if you wish ) approx 20cm square buried 30-40cm deep in the sand . The ply has a rope loop coming out of it long enough to reach above the sand with enough slack to attach your guy rope to. If it pulls out , bury it deeper with a longer loop !!
Just drill a hole in the center of the ply large enough to pass two ends of rope through and knot so as to stop them pulling out , and judge how much loop you require. A simple half hitch would be sufficient for the knot on each piece of rope, usually it can be undone relatively simply to adjust if you really have to.
Just my thoughts . Regards G.T.
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