Landcruiser 100 Vs Pajero NP

Submitted: Sunday, Jul 08, 2007 at 15:24
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We need help from experienced 4WDers who tow off road. We have to make a quick decision between keeping our 2004 GLS Pajero NP (which has been fantastic) or buying one of the last brand new Landcruiser 100 TD GXL vehicles in Australia. The Landcruiser doesn't have Vehicle Stability Control (VSC) or Traction Control (TRC). These are options which could have been built in but production has well and truely stopped.

We will be towing a 2600kg off road van and will revisit roads like the Gibb River Road and Chambers Pillar Rd.

Our question is "Are we losing anything in capability or safety by moving over to the Landcruiser?"

We have until tomorrow to make our decision - long story - won't bore you with it.

We'll be grateful far any advice.
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Reply By: Mr Cruza (ACT) - Sunday, Jul 08, 2007 at 15:35

Sunday, Jul 08, 2007 at 15:35
In reply to your question, I would go the Landcruiser as I'm pretty certain that the stabilty control is able to be fitted at your dealer as it is only a module. I'm sure though that there may be others with that model that can further advise you. hope this helps.
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Reply By: Member - Terry G (NSW) - Sunday, Jul 08, 2007 at 15:43

Sunday, Jul 08, 2007 at 15:43
I wasn't aware that production had stopped on the 100s TD. I hope there isnt someone taking you for a ride. But I would'nt think that VSC would be very effective when towing something which will probably be well over 3 tonne when fully loaded. From memory the Pajero is only rated to tow 2500kg anyway, compared to the Cruiser's 3500kg. As far as TRC is concerned its certainly a nice thing to have, but fairly inconsequential in the overall scheme of towing. I'd like to think that towing such a big van you would rarely if ever get into a position where you would need it.
I hope this helps

tg
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Follow Up By: Highlands - Sunday, Jul 08, 2007 at 16:42

Sunday, Jul 08, 2007 at 16:42
Thanks Terry & Mr Cruza.

Sadly Toyota can no longer import the 100 series. Toyota caeased production some months ago. The 200 series is due in late 2007. Most dealers have already taken several pre-orders. It will be based on the Lexus 570 which has recently been released.

Our van, when fully loaded will be around 2,500 - 2,600 kgs - right at the limit of the Pajero - hence our interest in a Landcruiser.

Our interest in the TRC and VSC is for those times when we store the van and go a bit further with tents - eg as we did last year when we left the Pajero and camper trailer in Broome and went up to Cape Leveque for a coule of nights.

Terry, do you know if the TRC can be fitted post production as Mr Cruza thought may be possible?

Many thanks
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Follow Up By: fisho64 - Sunday, Jul 08, 2007 at 19:29

Sunday, Jul 08, 2007 at 19:29
Perhaps you should be asking the people who will be accepting your hard-earned folding cash whether this can be done?
IMHO though the 1HD-FTE is the supreme Jap towing/touring engine/vehicle though and although the technology is a few years old it still is superior in both power and economy to anything else japanese offered at the moment.
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Follow Up By: Johnny boy - Monday, Jul 09, 2007 at 12:04

Monday, Jul 09, 2007 at 12:04
Hi Highland , mate you said you left the trailer and the Paj !! well you would be travlin on foot ..hence no need for TRC OR VSC ..?? LOL!! .. na just kidden mate nothing against the paj but if your towing so close to the limit I would upgrade and as for parts in the bush well its a proven old donk that can usually be fixed with limited tools and knowledge ...if you know what I mean the K.I.S.S theory always applies to any situation .

Regards J.B.
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Follow Up By: Highlands - Monday, Jul 09, 2007 at 13:05

Monday, Jul 09, 2007 at 13:05
Agreed. Thanks John
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Reply By: Member - Terry G (NSW) - Sunday, Jul 08, 2007 at 17:48

Sunday, Jul 08, 2007 at 17:48
sorry cant help

tg
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Reply By: Keenycruiser - Sunday, Jul 08, 2007 at 19:02

Sunday, Jul 08, 2007 at 19:02
One of the main things to look at is the availibility of parts for either model. You will find that there are Toyotas all over OZ and dealers and parts readily availible.
There was a write up in one of the 4wd magazines of someone travelling in a Nissan Pathfinder. He had some trouble in Darwin or Broome and instead of a 3 day stay it turned into a 17 day stay, waiting for parts. It may never happen but if it does and you are on a time schedule you will be glad if it is a Toyota.
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Follow Up By: Highlands - Sunday, Jul 08, 2007 at 22:11

Sunday, Jul 08, 2007 at 22:11
Yes. Thanks - good advice.
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Reply By: Member - Oldplodder (QLD) - Monday, Jul 09, 2007 at 08:02

Monday, Jul 09, 2007 at 08:02
Yep, have to say it, may be time to trade in the paj. 2600kg is on the limit for a paj.

Have you investigated other traction aids for the toyota? Maybe something a bit old fashioned but well proven like diff locks. Very different range of accessories available for the toyota, maybe you need to think a little more cruiser rather than translating paj speak?
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Follow Up By: Highlands - Monday, Jul 09, 2007 at 08:09

Monday, Jul 09, 2007 at 08:09
Thanks Oldplodder. I'll talk to ARB about the diff locks.
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Reply By: mattie - Monday, Jul 09, 2007 at 19:30

Monday, Jul 09, 2007 at 19:30
My reply is probably to late but if u can afford the toyota then u would be mad for even considering the paj as it will not have fuel range or the torque for towing that weight or the towing capacity (weight), a bigger range of 4x4 accessories and more space under the bonnet to fit them and much much better resale value, the down side is the extra fuel it will use and the bigger rego bill but i think u will put up with these down sides with out to many probs.

MATTIE
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Follow Up By: Highlands - Tuesday, Jul 10, 2007 at 00:17

Tuesday, Jul 10, 2007 at 00:17
Good advice is always timely. Thanks Mattie for yours.
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Reply By: foxtel - Monday, Jul 09, 2007 at 22:03

Monday, Jul 09, 2007 at 22:03
The "Brand New 100 series TD" will be a 06 model as this diesel dosen't meet the new emission standards for 07, so check the build plate

I would get the crusier

2.6t caravan to Chamber Pillar, let us know how you go
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Follow Up By: Highlands - Tuesday, Jul 10, 2007 at 00:16

Tuesday, Jul 10, 2007 at 00:16
Thanks Foxtel. Can you tell me which regulatory body is responsible for the emission standards. In NSW it may be the Department of Environment and Conservation, the RTA, or the Ministry of Transport. Further can you tell me what the implications are of a vehicle not meeting the new emission standards for 2007. Thanks.

The vehicle is 'brand new' in the sense that it has never been registered or owned by an individual. I suppose 'brand new' is open to other interpretations.
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Follow Up By: foxtel - Tuesday, Jul 10, 2007 at 20:23

Tuesday, Jul 10, 2007 at 20:23
It's the Federal government that's responsible for setting emission standards and new fuel standards ie low sulphur diesel for new cars entering the country . The Nissan 4.2 diesel for 07 no longer meets these standard and was drop from the line when the sold the last of them.

Toyota had the same problem and ordered a supply that would last them to the 07 complaint engines was available.
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Follow Up By: Highlands - Tuesday, Jul 10, 2007 at 21:43

Tuesday, Jul 10, 2007 at 21:43
Thanks again Foxtel. I'll look into this issue with Toyota.
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