what batery 2 use

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wiering up winch main batery or second confused plus mony riding on this
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Reply By: Member - Duncs - Sunday, Jul 15, 2007 at 15:03

Sunday, Jul 15, 2007 at 15:03
I have said this before and I will say it again. Even though others will disagree with me.

I would leave the main battery to do what the vehicle manufacturer intended it to do. That is supply power to the vehicle in it's original state.

The first thing I fit to a new car is a dual battery. I do this so it can power all the other accessories, including the winch, compressor, fridge, shower, extra lighting etc. etc. etc.

The only accessory I have that is powered by the main vehicle battery is the phone.

Duncs
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Follow Up By: Mainey (WA) - Sunday, Jul 15, 2007 at 16:36

Sunday, Jul 15, 2007 at 16:36
Nah, a fridge runs "longer" off a Deep Cycle battery (because it will safely drain much lower than a Cranking battery) and a winch requires a Cranking / Starter type battery, (it has bludy HUGE Amp draw) as Dodger points out they have totally "different" 12v power requirements.

0ils aint 0ils & Batteries just aint batteries if you want them to perform at their peak !!
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Follow Up By: Member - Duncs - Sunday, Jul 15, 2007 at 22:11

Sunday, Jul 15, 2007 at 22:11
Mainey

I don't use a deep cycle battery for the auxiliary battery. I am currently using a calcium battery which according to the people who have sold them to me fall somewhere between a cranking battery and a deep cycle.

I have had my fridge run for at least 4 days without running the car and the battery coped.

When Mr Nissan put a battery under the bonnet of the Patrol he did not allow for me to run a fridge, battery, lights and all that other stuff we plug into our touring wagons. It makes it simpler, in my mind at least, to leave the car alone and add a seperate power sauce for all the other things I want to power.

Duncs
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Follow Up By: Mainey (WA) - Monday, Jul 16, 2007 at 12:06

Monday, Jul 16, 2007 at 12:06
Duncs,
what brand and capacity of "hybrid" battery are you talking about here that as you say will "have had my fridge run for at least 4 days without running the car" ???

Calcium is the 'material' the plates are made from or more accurately contain, as calcium is "mixed" with lead and tin and another heap of substances to give a better electrical conductance to the battery, it (calcium) is used in Cranking and also Deep Cycle batteries.
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Follow Up By: Member - Duncs - Tuesday, Jul 17, 2007 at 10:19

Tuesday, Jul 17, 2007 at 10:19
Mainey,

The battery I had in at the time was a Delkor M27. I must add that the car was in an underground car park for most of that time. We were staying on the Gold Coast just before Christmas about 3 years ago.

I have just replaced that battery and had trouble sourcing a Delkor. I now have a similar battery from another supplier. The new one is the same construction but is 850cca where the Delkor was 750 or there abouts.

Duncs
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Follow Up By: Mainey (WA) - Tuesday, Jul 17, 2007 at 13:12

Tuesday, Jul 17, 2007 at 13:12
Duncs
I presently use the same brand, Delkor, but a DC27 as my starting battery, previously I used it for about 4 years as the Auxiliary battery running fridge & lights etc.

When you buy "quality" products you definitely get value for your $$
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Reply By: Member -Dodger - Sunday, Jul 15, 2007 at 16:09

Sunday, Jul 15, 2007 at 16:09
If you are going to run a winch off your battery make sure that it is a starting type battery that will give you plenty of amp draw to run the winch. As most deep cycle batts are for low but continous draw they do not suit elec winches. Oh and also always make sure that your engine is idling fast to help with the amp draw when running a winch.
Maybe this will help you decide.
I used to have a handle on life, but it broke.

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Follow Up By: Mainey (WA) - Sunday, Jul 15, 2007 at 16:27

Sunday, Jul 15, 2007 at 16:27
Yes, as Dodger has said !!

CRANKING / Starting type battery.
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Follow Up By: Member - Mark E (VIC) - Sunday, Jul 15, 2007 at 18:52

Sunday, Jul 15, 2007 at 18:52
Slightly OT but there is a school of thought (Rotronics) which suggests having the winch connected to the aux battery and it being isolated from the alternator when drawing the huge current whilst winching. As I understand it, if the winch is connected into the main batery and is being charged by the alternator, the massive current draw will cause the voltage to drop and the alternator to deliver its maximum current to the particular battery and over a period of time may cause excessive wear or cause the alternator to burn out. This particular scool of thought also suggests that should the car still be under warranty a winch connected in this manner will void manufacturers warranty.

In my situation, I have the winch connected as suggested by Rotronics and have had no particular problems, apart from reduced winching time. I can however switch the system over and direct some charge into the aux battery in between winching 'runs' and I feel that this will assist me to not overheat the winch during recovery efforts.

I'm no expert but it makes sense to me, though I know that in competition vehicles and the like, tey always have them connected to an actively charging battery.....but I guess parts are 'disposable' in these circumstances....

Just a thought....

Cheers,

Mark
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Follow Up By: Mainey (WA) - Monday, Jul 16, 2007 at 13:00

Monday, Jul 16, 2007 at 13:00
Mark
Rotronics recomend the WINCH is connected to the AUXILIARY battery when using their "Rotronics Charge/Isolators incorporating a Winch CONTROL MONITOR"

Unfortunately they make no reference to "TYPE" of Auxiliary battery, which is more relevant to the thread original question.

WARN recomend HIGH CCA Cranking 'type' battery -not- a Deep Cycle battery, to run a winch - they make the winch and I sugest they would know the current required to power their product, as you say 'competition' vehicles also run from a HIGH CCA battery.
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Follow Up By: Member - Mark E (VIC) - Monday, Jul 16, 2007 at 19:35

Monday, Jul 16, 2007 at 19:35
Mainey,

Yep agree with you on that point....the deep cycle is unsuited for the task...may have not expressed myself too well. My main point was not to connect winch to ANY battery connected to the alternator.

I have two exide extremes. Ond for starting and one to run the fridge, but my aux will be replaced with an AGM, which can safely be used for either purpose, fi the correct one is purchased.

Cheers,

Mark
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Nullagine) - Tuesday, Jul 17, 2007 at 16:02

Tuesday, Jul 17, 2007 at 16:02
if you were conerned about your alt burning out during winching, wouldnt you just turn your vehicle off?
I was always told to leave the vehicle running to keep the battery charged although I always felt the charge put into the battery during winching would only be a small % of what was being drained out - not enough to make a difference
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Follow Up By: Member - Mark E (VIC) - Tuesday, Jul 17, 2007 at 19:05

Tuesday, Jul 17, 2007 at 19:05
Davoe,

I guess you are correct, you could just turn off the car....which would achieve the same purpose and that is not to send the alternator into it's maximum duty cycle. I'm just following those recomendations of the company that makes my dual battery controller. I'm sure they have slightly more understanding of vehicle electonics than I.....

www.rotronics.com.au/TechnicalWinchP1.htm

I also agree that the alternator would only be replacing a small amount of the current drawn by the winch, though with the Rotronics Independant charge system, all the available current would be directed to the battery with the winch connected, without the winch contol circuit.

Not trying to alude in any way that mine is the only system that works.....

Cheers,

Mark
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Reply By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Sunday, Jul 15, 2007 at 19:11

Sunday, Jul 15, 2007 at 19:11
As others have said.....don't even think about using a deep cycle battery for winching. If you DO have a deep cycle battery as your aux battery, then I would seriously suggest connecting the winch to the starting battery AND being able to isolate the deep cycle from the circuit whilst you use the winch.

If you have a starter type battery as your aux, then I would still suggest wiring the winch to the main battery. This assumes that you have the 2nd battery wired-up through some sort of solenoid. A solenoid such as this was never designed to cope with the huge amperage loads that the winch will demand.

In my case, I have 2 starter batteries joined permanently with no isolator at all. These 2 are JUST used for starting and the other uses normally called upon by the original battery. I have a 3rd battery (Fullriver AGM) for running fridge, compressor, HF etc etc. It is wired through an Arrid Twin Charger, so is not able to be pulled into the winching process (thank goodness).

Several of our club members have long ago got totally p!ssed-off with the various solenoids, smart chagers etc etc that seem to have proliferated in recent years. They all seem to let you down eventually. Also, deep cycle batteries are not really designed for the types of uses most 4 wheel drivers put them to. They cannot be ideally charged by an alternator......but that's all another story and one which ends up creating a few hissy-fits among some of the contributors to this forum; so I'll say no more on that subject.

Those club members mentioned in the previous paragraph, have simply fitted 2 cranker batteries wired in parralllel (same as what I've done), but they don't have the "luxury" of the 3rd battery that I use. They have been finding that the 2 big cranker batteries can quite easily cope with the full load required of them for fridges etc. One of these blokes (Pesty), uses a 110 litre Waeco fridge and has not been having any dramas since....(except if he doesn't drive his rig very much).

So, to summarise......for winching I suggest you use the starter battery (as a minimum requirement). Ideally, have 2 cranking batteries connected in parrallel without any gizmos in between them.

Cheers

Roachie
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Follow Up By: Mainey (WA) - Monday, Jul 16, 2007 at 13:08

Monday, Jul 16, 2007 at 13:08
Looks like a big vote for SOLAR power here
you don't even have to start the vehicle to charge the batteries :-))

......but that's all another story and one which ends up creating a few hissy-fits among some of the contributors to this forum; so I'll say no more on that subject.
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Reply By: tofstar - Sunday, Jul 15, 2007 at 20:13

Sunday, Jul 15, 2007 at 20:13
thanks all sorted out a few things looks like the bleep is on me
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Follow Up By: Mainey (WA) - Monday, Jul 16, 2007 at 12:12

Monday, Jul 16, 2007 at 12:12
So how did you do it ???
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