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Submitted: Monday, Jul 16, 2007 at 08:25
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Hi all, been away from the site a while , whats the latest goss in in car computers . I am sure there will be somone on here with the latest websight . Latest software hardware sight would be great. Also any pics of EO DIY 's

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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Monday, Jul 16, 2007 at 10:04

Monday, Jul 16, 2007 at 10:04
Biggest hurdle is getting a screen with good resolution in front of you so you can easily see it when driving.

To buy a purpose built in-car computer looks pretty complicated to me.

A tablet PC (computer with touch screen) is still the one of the best all-in-one solution IMO, especially with a bluetooth GPS. The Tosh M200 and Panasonic toughbook are good computers if you don't mind something thats a bit bulky.

The compact tablets can be a bit fragile - I had an NEC T400 that broke its screen in the car, but was a nice compact bit of gear otherwise. A new one called the Samsung Q1 looks more compact, and looks more robust - looks small enough to mount on the dash.

For now I've gone back to an old Tosh running W98SE. It has a 6gigHDD which is enough to store maps and backup photos - it runs off 12v, folds away in a padded pocket next to the drivers seat, and I have it hooked up to my dash screen and work it with a cordless mouse. I'm probably happier with this setup, than I was with a TabletPC. But to get good resolution on the dash screen you either need a decent video output on your computer, or get a screen with VGS input.
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and my reversing camera shares the screen - press a button and they flick over.
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Monday, Jul 16, 2007 at 13:45

Monday, Jul 16, 2007 at 13:45
Just to add that the screen is one of those ones that folds away into a DIN slot, making it pretty much invisible when not in use. On corrugations it falls down, so I have a strip of velcro that holds it to the dashmat for the rough roads. Its a $300 screen from Jaycar.
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Follow Up By: Member - joc45 (WA) - Monday, Jul 16, 2007 at 16:24

Monday, Jul 16, 2007 at 16:24
It's $229.95 now at jaycar!
Phil, I take it you use the video output from your lappie to the screen, as its specs say it's composite video input.
Cheers,
Gerry
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Monday, Jul 16, 2007 at 17:59

Monday, Jul 16, 2007 at 17:59
$229 hehehe. I guess thats what happens these days. But I've had it for 2 years.

My laptop is one of those rare beasts which has a yellow RCA socket for composite video, which makes it easy. I have tried hooking up another laptop which has an S-video socket,and used a simple 4pin S-video to RCA adaptor and the resolution was acceptable, but not as good as the composite. I've tried a VGA output into a screen that has a VGA input, and it was excellent, so if I were to buy again, I'd definitely get a screen with a VGA input.
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Follow Up By: Member - joc45 (WA) - Tuesday, Jul 17, 2007 at 10:56

Tuesday, Jul 17, 2007 at 10:56
Aha! I was wondering how you did it! My lappie has an S-video output, but I've found that the simple S-video to composite conversion is ok for watching a dvd, but not all that flash in quality for maps.
Pity, as vga screens are quite a bit dearer. I do like the idea of a retractable screen, as one doesn't have to fix brackets, etc to the dash. Guess, for the time being, my whingeing navigator will have to keep nursing the lappie and yelling out directions!
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Reply By: Hughd - Monday, Jul 16, 2007 at 11:07

Monday, Jul 16, 2007 at 11:07
Phil,
I like your set-up. Seems to me that most car computers are aimed at the entertainment market. I am looking for a way to use Oziexplorer and have a reversing camera as well. The Samsung Q1 looks good, but I cannot see how to link in the reversing camera (no AV port). Panasonic Toughbook looks good, but way out of my budget.
Thanks for the photos of your setup,
Hugh
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Monday, Jul 16, 2007 at 13:41

Monday, Jul 16, 2007 at 13:41
I've not tried using a camera thru a computer, but waiting for the computer to boot would be a pain. The toughbooks are a fairly thick item - I looked at getting one second hand, but it was just a bit too bulky to use in my cab.

Its nice to have the maps in the middle of the dash, so both driver and passenger can glance at it, and the passenger can work the cordless mouse on a book or folder. The screen brightness is good. I had to enlarge the pointers and make them solid black for both the mouse and for moving maps, so they are easily seen on the smaller screen. The output of the computer is 4:3, while the screen can be either 4:3 or 16:9. I use the latter because it occupies the full screen. And most maps I zoom in to 125 or 150 on Ozi.
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Reply By: jeffwa - Monday, Jul 16, 2007 at 11:57

Monday, Jul 16, 2007 at 11:57
I agree, we use a toshiba tablet as well, but it's in front of my navigator, not me. I use the GPS if I need some guidance during fighting. LOL



We use Ozi and a combination of maps from DEC 50k maps to scanned tourist maps, through to the 250k Natraster maps depending on what we are trying to acheive at the time. ie Touring, camping, exploring off road etc.
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Follow Up By: jeffwa - Monday, Jul 16, 2007 at 12:01

Monday, Jul 16, 2007 at 12:01
I'll just add that for security and for that fact that it is my everyday computer as well I use velcro straps to hold it in place. Now it sounds dodgy LOL (that's my experise) but it bloody works and has been through hell and back. I recently had my GPS dash mount fall off on a trip (The GPS is screwed into the dash and siliconed using the Garmin mounting plate and it still fell off) and the lappy just stayed where it was. The lappy is about 4 years old now. It's a P3 1.33Ghz with 512mb running XP pro. It's starting to get a little long in the tooth for everyday use but still run perfectly and for mapping it's more than enough. When I finish my studies I will buy another new one for everyday use and just keep using the toshi in the car for mapping.

Having the pen so the missus can use the touch screen while driving is the key IMHO. Without that, it'd be next to usless.
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Follow Up By: Member - R Send - Monday, Jul 16, 2007 at 21:30

Monday, Jul 16, 2007 at 21:30
Not a good idea if you have airbags!
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Follow Up By: jeffwa - Monday, Jul 16, 2007 at 22:03

Monday, Jul 16, 2007 at 22:03
Yes, but I don't have air bags. :-)
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Follow Up By: Member - R Send - Tuesday, Jul 17, 2007 at 17:46

Tuesday, Jul 17, 2007 at 17:46
Jeff,
Whoa! - I figured that - my comment was simply to alert others to the fact that there are other considerations to be made. Not everyone is as "technosmart" as you!

And wearing a laptop after a bingle is not a good look!
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Reply By: John R (SA) - Monday, Jul 16, 2007 at 19:09

Monday, Jul 16, 2007 at 19:09
My system is ever evolving, but presently based on an old acer laptop, an inverter, touch screen monitor from ebay, ozi & ubd maps etc, & a bluetooth gps (used to run it with a garmin II+, but got very sick of the cables).

I'm presently trying out a home made stand, which straddles the centre consol. Quick & easy install/remove is one of my criteria. I'm yet to find a convenient spot for the laptop if there are people in the backseat, but I haven't put too much thought in to that yet.

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Reply By: Member - The Crow (QLD) - Monday, Jul 16, 2007 at 20:34

Monday, Jul 16, 2007 at 20:34
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Follow Up By: Member - The Crow (QLD) - Monday, Jul 16, 2007 at 20:48

Monday, Jul 16, 2007 at 20:48
Sorry stuffed the info. I built this system from parts from home it is a Pentium 4 1600mhz with 60gig laptop HD with 1 Gig ram, DVD burner Running XP Professional, Copilot live Laptop 10, trackranger 6. Has on board sound and video. I am currently using a 7ins single din vga touch screen Imported from Canada. For the 2 lots of mapping software I have 2 GPS units one is a bluetooth Haicom and the other is a geko 201 connected by a USB cable. The 12volt PSU was imported from the states. It all runs off the 12 volt system of the car without any inverters. The computer turns on with the ignition and will turn itself off 40 mins after the ignition is turned off. This can be set by the jumpers to 20, 40 ,or 60 mins after the key is turned off.
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Follow Up By: Member - The Crow (QLD) - Monday, Jul 16, 2007 at 20:51

Monday, Jul 16, 2007 at 20:51
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Reply By: Eric from Eric Christopher Wholesale Vehicles - Monday, Jul 16, 2007 at 21:02

Monday, Jul 16, 2007 at 21:02
looks great , what software are you running ?
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Follow Up By: Member - The Crow (QLD) - Tuesday, Jul 17, 2007 at 07:40

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The front page software is Digital Dash 5. It is used to control GPS and the 12 Gig of mp3 music I have on the hard drive. All sound from the computer is run through the Clarion CD head unit.
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Reply By: _gmd_pps - Monday, Jul 16, 2007 at 21:15

Monday, Jul 16, 2007 at 21:15
I have a 10" touchscreen at 800x600 on a adjustable arm with
a photohead like mechanism to turn it from driver to passenger

7" DIN monitor with 800x480 have trouble with some videoboards
and are too small to be useful .. I have one on the boat in a waterproof case

PC is a 2GHz MiniITX board ina VOOMPC 2 case with 160G HD DVD drv
1G RAm and the 6 channel audio is wired into my factory audio system from
BOSE . I have a quadprocessor (4 cameras to reverse under my slideon) in one AV input and an auto video selector into the second AV input. this automatically
switches one of 4 inputs to one output depending on which camera was switched on last. I have the rearview, hitchview and the rearviw of the camper and the boat hooked up to it so I can select which camera is shown by just powering the camera.

The PC runs OZIexplorer, copilot and holds my 60G Mp3's. I run NextG with a Maxon arial and USB modem into tha PC and have it networked via Ethernet to my Pc's in the camper, which access the Internet through this gateway PC ...

the PC with all bells and whistles can be had for under A$900 and if you are happy with a slow 1.5G and 512M ram it is less than $500 all on Ebay ..

I find the turnkey systems too expensive and too restrictive. MiniITX is still big
for many cars but will fit under the seat easy. NanoITX is smaller though but also
more expensive. MiniITX is previous generation and gets cheaper and cheaper.

BUT be aware that 800x480 screen have some problems with some of the motherboards. 800x600 is just fine.

I also have a wireless minikeyboard with integrated mouse.

I have no pics at the moment but can take them quite easy .. still working on some parts of the system. I swap the case to a slightly thicker one to run a PCI card on a riser . its a capture card which records up to 16 cameras which will run
24/7 and covers the complete rig including boat.

If you are in Perth I am happy to help to put it in.
good luck
gmd

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Reply By: _gmd_pps - Monday, Jul 16, 2007 at 21:16

Monday, Jul 16, 2007 at 21:16
I have a 10" touchscreen at 800x600 on a adjustable arm with
a photohead like mechanism to turn it from driver to passenger

7" DIN monitor with 800x480 have trouble with some videoboards
and are too small to be useful .. I have one on the boat in a waterproof case

PC is a 2GHz MiniITX board ina VOOMPC 2 case with 160G HD DVD drv
1G RAm and the 6 channel audio is wired into my factory audio system from
BOSE . I have a quadprocessor (4 cameras to reverse under my slideon) in one AV input and an auto video selector into the second AV input. this automatically
switches one of 4 inputs to one output depending on which camera was switched on last. I have the rearview, hitchview and the rearviw of the camper and the boat hooked up to it so I can select which camera is shown by just powering the camera.

The PC runs OZIexplorer, copilot and holds my 60G Mp3's. I run NextG with a Maxon arial and USB modem into tha PC and have it networked via Ethernet to my Pc's in the camper, which access the Internet through this gateway PC ...

the PC with all bells and whistles can be had for under A$900 and if you are happy with a slow 1.5G and 512M ram it is less than $500 all on Ebay ..

I find the turnkey systems too expensive and too restrictive. MiniITX is still big
for many cars but will fit under the seat easy. NanoITX is smaller though but also
more expensive. MiniITX is previous generation and gets cheaper and cheaper.

BUT be aware that 800x480 screen have some problems with some of the motherboards. 800x600 is just fine.

I also have a wireless minikeyboard with integrated mouse.

I have no pics at the moment but can take them quite easy .. still working on some parts of the system. I swap the case to a slightly thicker one to run a PCI card on a riser . its a capture card which records up to 16 cameras which will run
24/7 and covers the complete rig including boat.

If you are in Perth I am happy to help to put it in.
good luck
gmd

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