How do they calculate towing weights limits?
Submitted: Tuesday, Jul 17, 2007 at 02:21
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ben_gv3
Does anyone know how the manufacturers calculate the vehicles tow weight limits?
Is it just based on the structural factors in the chassis, drivetrain and
suspension?
Does it take into account the engine and it's ability to tow a specific weight over flat roads or inclines? I.e. just because a vehicle can tow 3T doesn't mean it can tow it uphill comfortably. Then there's engine longevity as
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Reply By: Member - Kiwi Kia - Tuesday, Jul 17, 2007 at 07:47
Tuesday, Jul 17, 2007 at 07:47
Hi ben_gv3, Here is what I have heard about the possible reason that manufacturers don't seem to have the answers to your questions.
Australia & New Zealand are big on towing trailers, it is not that common in most other country's. Vehicle manufacturers don't really want to be bothered with all the testing etc. to cover any litigation that could follow if an accident or warranty claim should occur if one of their vehicles was towing at the time. It is easier to give very conservative loose guidelines rather then go through all the possible testing to find the 'real' limits.
Don't know if the above is true but I think it probably is.
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Follow Up By: Redback - Tuesday, Jul 17, 2007 at 08:20
Tuesday, Jul 17, 2007 at 08:20
I don't think Aust & NZ are any differant to other countries when it comes to towing trailers.
An excample is my Disco (or any Land Rover for that matter) tow rating is 3500kg single axle trailer, 4000kg tandum axle trailer, Land Rover specificly design them to tow large trailers for farm work in the UK (Defenders aspecially) even the Defender 90 has these tow ratings.
Oh one people don't understand (and i see it alot on this
forum) is if your vehicle has a max rating of 2500kg, putting a 3500kg rating towbar does increase your towing capacity, the max rating is for the vehicle not the tow hitch
Baz.
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Follow Up By: Member - Kiwi Kia - Tuesday, Jul 17, 2007 at 08:44
Tuesday, Jul 17, 2007 at 08:44
Hi Redback,
No, not different in Oz or NZ, just far more common for people in this part of the world to have a tow bar fitted. Also, you may have noted that on the latest models it is becoming very difficult to find a place to mount a tow bar or recovery hook. This is indicative of how the manufacturers are not interested in tow bars.
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Follow Up By: Redback - Tuesday, Jul 17, 2007 at 09:28
Tuesday, Jul 17, 2007 at 09:28
Yes i have noticed that, and still don't understand it, the new Pathy is a prime excample of that, i'd be very carefull when towing with the factory towbar.
Baz.
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Follow Up By: garrycol - Tuesday, Jul 17, 2007 at 13:22
Tuesday, Jul 17, 2007 at 13:22
Hi Redback,
I assume you meant to say "Oh one people don't understand (and i see it alot on this
forum) is if your vehicle has a max rating of 2500kg, putting a 3500kg rating towbar does "NOT" increase your towing capacity, the max rating is for the vehicle not the tow hitch."
If your car has a tow rating of 2500kg and you put on a 3500kg tow bar you can only legally still tow 2500kg. But if you put on a 1600kg tow bar then you can only legally tow 1600kg even though the rating of the vehicle is unchanged.
Garry
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Follow Up By: Redback - Wednesday, Jul 18, 2007 at 11:14
Wednesday, Jul 18, 2007 at 11:14
Should read "Oh what some people don't understand" bit of a typo
Baz.
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Reply By: SARocks - Tuesday, Jul 17, 2007 at 08:21
Tuesday, Jul 17, 2007 at 08:21
some manufacturers prey to work out towing capacity and other manufacturers set safe and reliable performance capacity for towing. 3T on Navara or 2.8T on Hilux ridiculous like 2.5T on Terracant.
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Follow Up By: Redback - Tuesday, Jul 17, 2007 at 09:39
Tuesday, Jul 17, 2007 at 09:39
That 3T rating for the Navara is way too much, we just got rid of a Navara here at work for that reason, it just couldn't cope with towing the sweeper trailers (a touch over 2.2ton, the pulling of the trailer was so so, but when it came to stopping with the trailer on "holy crap"
We have a 3.0lt Patrol and 2 Disco 3s now.
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Reply By: Leroy - Tuesday, Jul 17, 2007 at 09:16
Tuesday, Jul 17, 2007 at 09:16
no one mentioned brakes! Both for the vehicle and trailer (depending on weight). They have to be up to the task also.
Leroy
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Follow Up By: ben_gv3 - Tuesday, Jul 17, 2007 at 16:05
Tuesday, Jul 17, 2007 at 16:05
Yes that's the dilema I'm looking at now. I have a 2t (tare) caravan and am looking for a new tow vehicle. So far the only one's I've found up to the task is the LC100 and possibly the LR Disco 2. I've discounted the utes as I wan't comfort and a diesel/auto. But so far the LC100 is winning due to its inherent reliability and ability of parts out in the bush.
The F250 is just way TOOOOO big to handle around the burbs.
I think any vehicle with a 2.5T towing capacity is cutting it a bit fine.
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Follow Up By: Russ n Sue - Tuesday, Jul 17, 2007 at 23:27
Tuesday, Jul 17, 2007 at 23:27
Ease of getting parts in the bush? I was at Coventrys in
Karratha just today and the guy next to me couldn't get a top radiator hose for his 80 series diesel. This is in a town where there is a Toyota dealer, Coventrys, Repco and two private motor parts outlets.
I think that the majority of these
places carry minimum stock these days and the best you can hope for is "next day - ex capital city". The same guy said he had to wait for a week for
water pump to come "ex east".
If ease of getting parts is one of your MAIN criteria, think again. You might just overlook something better for all the wrong reasons. I would have to agree that the LC100 has a reputation for better reliability, although in the industry I just retired from they switched to Nissans due to the problems they were having with Tojos.
Cheers,
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Reply By: Stu-k - Tuesday, Jul 17, 2007 at 17:38
Tuesday, Jul 17, 2007 at 17:38
They a load of crap, just sales hype and it works. A mate of
mine just brought a Navara partly because it can tow 3t, only way it could tow that is downhill with a tail wind.
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Reply By: Peter 2 - Tuesday, Jul 17, 2007 at 18:32
Tuesday, Jul 17, 2007 at 18:32
I've always been of the opinion that the weight of the towing vehicle should exceed the loaded weight of the van or trailer to be towed.
If the trailer or van is to be towed 'off road' then the difference between the two should be even more in favour of the towing vehicle.
This is purely a personal opinion based on my experiences of towing all over Oz during the last 30 years.
There is no substitute for vehicle mass when things go cock-eyed, I've seen plenty of people come unstuck when the van or trailer decides it wants to lead.
Having just completed a trip into the outback I am amazed at the size of the vans that people hook up to vehicles especially mid sized vehicles like Prado's, Pajero's etc, never mind the soft roaders like Xtrails pulling 2 tonne+ of van! It might be legal but it looks like an accident waiting to happen to me.
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Follow Up By: Redback - Wednesday, Jul 18, 2007 at 11:12
Wednesday, Jul 18, 2007 at 11:12
That would be my opinion too!!
Baz.
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Follow Up By: Member - Kiwi Kia - Wednesday, Jul 18, 2007 at 12:42
Wednesday, Jul 18, 2007 at 12:42
I would also agree 100%.
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Reply By: jeffwa - Tuesday, Jul 17, 2007 at 19:33
Tuesday, Jul 17, 2007 at 19:33
To me, the towing capacties specified by the manufactures make no sense whatsoever. I think they just make them up too. I'm sure I would have towed over my pathetic legal limit of 1500kg on my reece hitch with the 3.0L diesel, but I've never had any power/handling/braking issues. I have never weighed the loads I have towed, but when you load a furniture trailer up that 900kg tare you've got to be pushing the 1500kg boundry, same when towing a
dingo with orga and other accessories. But hey, each to their own. I can't see how a lighter, crappyier plastic pathfinder can legally tow 3500kg and
mine can only tow 1500kg, doesn't make sense to me....
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Reply By: Motherhen - Tuesday, Jul 17, 2007 at 22:34
Tuesday, Jul 17, 2007 at 22:34
ben_gv3
With our Patrol, the same motor was 3.5 t for manual and 2.5 t for auto. The guy at the Nissan dealership couldn't understand the difference and said out auto would handle the load fine (he was not selling us the car either - we took in in to get gauges fitted). We suspect the auto may not have sufficient emergency braking capacity should all other systems fail when rolling down off a mountain. I still believe in the principal of having the tow vehicle outweigh the trailer for safety.
With all the difference between makes, perhaps they draw the weights out of a hat? It does not seem to be related to performance when towing.
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