codan 7727 (b) ssb transceiver

Submitted: Wednesday, Jul 18, 2007 at 12:15
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gday all,

the original owner of my new 4wd has left this unit with a manual type aerial and 12 base contacts and their frequencies. all i have to do is get the required licence and learn how to use it. this unit looks like it has a bit of age on it. it has been professionally installed and all works well according to owner. is it still a capable unit.

cheers
dave
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Reply By: jeffwa - Wednesday, Jul 18, 2007 at 12:39

Wednesday, Jul 18, 2007 at 12:39
Yep they are a good old unit and if it's got the VKS 4wd channels fitted then you've scored well.
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Follow Up By: dave_c - Wednesday, Jul 18, 2007 at 13:49

Wednesday, Jul 18, 2007 at 13:49
gday jeffwa,

how do i find out if its got the vks 4wd channels. all i have is a list of 12 base stations, organisations, telephone numbers and their frequencies. cheers dave
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Follow Up By: jeffwa - Wednesday, Jul 18, 2007 at 14:03

Wednesday, Jul 18, 2007 at 14:03
Channel
Frequency

1 5455 Khz A secondary channel for most skeds.
Channel 2 below is the primary frequency for Network skeds, but channel 1 can often provide better communications (comms) when HF conditions are compromised.
2 8022 Khz The primary channel for all skeds, and used frequently by authorised users for private comms (outside of sked timeslots).
3 11612 Khz Often subject to overseas interference - minimal usage.
4 14977 Khz Used for minor sked traffic and private comms. Often has a very good reach, during the middle section of the day.
5 3995 Khz No sked traffic - free use for authorised users. Quite good for short distance comms.
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Follow Up By: dave_c - Wednesday, Jul 18, 2007 at 14:17

Wednesday, Jul 18, 2007 at 14:17
jeffwa, yep, you lost me. what is a sked. how do i know if this unit has these frequencies. the unit has no display panel.
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Wednesday, Jul 18, 2007 at 14:21

Wednesday, Jul 18, 2007 at 14:21
Contact your local Amateur Radio Club and ask if they would be prepared to take a look at it for you - there's bound to be someone who will, look here for a club:

www.wia.org.au/info/clubs.php

Mike Harding
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Follow Up By: dave_c - Wednesday, Jul 18, 2007 at 14:32

Wednesday, Jul 18, 2007 at 14:32
mike,
good job. thanks.

cheers dave
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Reply By: MEMBER - Darian (SA) - Wednesday, Jul 18, 2007 at 13:53

Wednesday, Jul 18, 2007 at 13:53
For quality voice only comms, some of the older units can clearly out-perform the latest units........... the main issue with older units IMO is to be wary of putting $ into them, when and if they need repair - probably pay to trade up - but it could plug on happily for ages.
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Follow Up By: dave_c - Wednesday, Jul 18, 2007 at 14:19

Wednesday, Jul 18, 2007 at 14:19
gday darian, thanks, interesting. what is unit worth if i were to trade up.
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Follow Up By: MEMBER - Darian (SA) - Wednesday, Jul 18, 2007 at 14:31

Wednesday, Jul 18, 2007 at 14:31
My comments are general re HF in this instance - that particular unit I'm not familiar with...... it will have certain value if you trade up, but a private sale would be the way to go. Members here I'm sure would have an idea on the value of that particular model. Auto tune 9323's are still bringing around $2000+.
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Reply By: Footloose - Wednesday, Jul 18, 2007 at 14:33

Wednesday, Jul 18, 2007 at 14:33
This might be of interest to you
Site Link
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Reply By: Footloose - Wednesday, Jul 18, 2007 at 14:39

Wednesday, Jul 18, 2007 at 14:39
As mentioned above, the older radios still work well. But re channeling them is expensive. Many have coils and slugs that have deteoriated over time and are impossible to replace, like many other bits.
You can easily spend $50-100 per required channel, and still have an unreliable and half functional radio.
Half functional ?
Modern radios have scan, selcall and telcall. Modern aerials often have a pre amp in them. (for scanning sensitivity)
Older radios generally have non of these facilities.
They are on one channel at a time (too bad if your mate calls you elsewhere)
No selcall. You can't "wake a base up" if you have an emergency.
No telcall. ET can't phone home.
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Follow Up By: dave_c - Wednesday, Jul 18, 2007 at 14:52

Wednesday, Jul 18, 2007 at 14:52
gday footloose.

excellent site. definately speaks my language.... im thinking as long as i can get the flying doc i am ok right. or wrong??. strictly emergency radio only?? being an older manual unit i doubt it would have the modern luxuries like selcall and telcall.
dave
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Wednesday, Jul 18, 2007 at 15:00

Wednesday, Jul 18, 2007 at 15:00
Hi Dave, rekkon I should write another book :))
Yes, but there's so much more (unfortunately). Flying doc needs emergency alarm button to "wake him up".
The networks can pass you along to police , doctor etc probably quicker than you can get through their 20 (are you a nut or for real) questions.
You have so much more with the networks, they give weather, advice, can get you a mechanic in woop woop , pass messages from home etc etc.
Mate, its all a matter of what you might need in an emergency, and how much moolah you want to throw.
If you've just won Lotto, throw the 7727 and get a satphone :))))
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Follow Up By: dave_c - Wednesday, Jul 18, 2007 at 15:21

Wednesday, Jul 18, 2007 at 15:21
footloose,
as the 7727 unit come with the car i will learn its capabilities first. that could take long enough that i would have saved for a sat phone or as you suggest, win tatts. but, would this unit bail me out if the need be.?? will take up mike hardings recommendation and seek local help. thanks.
dave
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Reply By: Tony MD - Wednesday, Jul 18, 2007 at 17:24

Wednesday, Jul 18, 2007 at 17:24
Hi Dave.
You say that you have a manual whip. Is there any writing on it at the tap points? This will give an idea on what frequencies / channels you have.
VKS737 frequencies can be found at www.vks737.on.net/
RFDS frequencies can be found at www.flyingdoctor.net/hfradio.htm
Note that the RFDS had more frequencies when your radio was younger so some may no longer be applicable.
You could also ask the previous owner.
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Follow Up By: dave_c - Thursday, Jul 19, 2007 at 13:34

Thursday, Jul 19, 2007 at 13:34
gday tony MD,

thanks for your efforts. the whip has these numbers written on it.
starting from its base they go as such
2020
4010
6840
7975
8198
what does this mean. i am not even a novice (yet) at this so have no idea.

cheers dave
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Reply By: Member - Craig D (SA) - Thursday, Jul 19, 2007 at 13:45

Thursday, Jul 19, 2007 at 13:45
Dave, they appear to be RFDS freqs with some no longer in use.
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Follow Up By: Member - Craig D (SA) - Thursday, Jul 19, 2007 at 13:51

Thursday, Jul 19, 2007 at 13:51
Dave, found more info for you:

2020 RFDS Chat Channel
4010 RFDS
6840 St John Darwin
7975 St John Darwin
8198 Marine frequency

Hope this helps(?)

Regards,
Craig
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Follow Up By: dave_c - Thursday, Jul 19, 2007 at 14:34

Thursday, Jul 19, 2007 at 14:34
gday craig,

good work. so does this render this unit useless. unless i want to update the frequencies and is it worth it. it would be cheaper than a new one though.

cheers dave
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Follow Up By: Tony MD - Thursday, Jul 19, 2007 at 19:59

Thursday, Jul 19, 2007 at 19:59
Dave, as others have posted, these are mainly RFDS frequencies.
As the radio really hasn't cost you anything, it is probably worth while replacing two of the frequencies with VKS737 channels 1 - 5455kHz & 2 - 8022kHz.
You will need to become a member of VKS737 or the two other services that use the same set of frequencies.
To use any of the RFDS frequencies, you need an outpost station license (about $35.00). Not much activity on the RFDS frequencies anymore, a pity because there is a lot of congestion and thus protocol on the VKS737 system.
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Follow Up By: dave_c - Friday, Jul 20, 2007 at 10:03

Friday, Jul 20, 2007 at 10:03
thanks tony, i will follow your recommendations.

cheers dave
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