diesel question
Submitted: Tuesday, Jul 24, 2007 at 17:56
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guzzi
I have a question for any diesel guru's reading this.
Recently had a compression test on the 2.8 ltr 4JB1T in the rodeo.
It appears #2 cylinder is 40 psi lower than the other 3.
It doesnt appear to have a great deal of blowby, no obvious hissing sounds in either inlet or exhaust manifolds.
So my question is how do you check for leakage in the rings and valves on a diesel?
On a spark ignition engine you usually put in a squirt of oil and watch the difference in compression.
What do you do with a diesel?, as I assume you would then have a problem with the possible ignition of the oil you've dropped into the cylinder as it compresses and shoots your compression guage somewhere at a great rate of knots.
Over to you the necromancers of the compression engine...................
pete
Reply By: MintabiePete (NSW) - Tuesday, Jul 24, 2007 at 19:59
Tuesday, Jul 24, 2007 at 19:59
I have been out of the game for a while , but I dont think things have changed all that much , if you think the specs are below what they should be , you can do a wet compression check with a diesel engine , the same as you do with a petrol engine , to check whether you have valve problems or rings . You have to have a compression tester setup for a diesel engine and fittings to go with it , and you dont need to use much oil , otherwise it can lock up on you and cause damage to your engine . I found that using a pyrometer on the exhaust used to give a lot of good info , but nowdays they might have more mod cons to be able to do this testing :) 40psi lower than the other 3 is a bit too much . Sometimes listening to the exhaust can help , its amazing what you can pick up :)
good luck :)
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Reply By: Exploder - Tuesday, Jul 24, 2007 at 20:10
Tuesday, Jul 24, 2007 at 20:10
You can but you just need a pressure gauge that reads to like 700+PSI and it clamped into the injector pocket, Mabey less with just a little 2.8 diesel.
But it's most likely either valves, rings or possibly damaged piston if it's only down on one cylinder.
Have you done a blow by test, this will rule out rings if OK??
What are the other Pressures, are they all with in spec or below or is No 2 the only one that is down and all the others are reading with in spec.
Check Loose head studs, valve clearances, week valve springs.
Cheers
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Follow Up By: guzzi - Tuesday, Jul 24, 2007 at 20:22
Tuesday, Jul 24, 2007 at 20:22
Exploder
the valve clearances were done before they did the compression test.
All the readings were still within the specs, just #2 was 40 psi lower than the others and it was still 30 psi above the minimum spec.
Im not happy with the difference, but it still runs quite
well but as its now towing a camper fairly often Id like to find out why, so just gathering info.
Havent had a done a blowby test yet, that may be the next step after checking head stud tensions.
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Reply By: Gerhardp1 - Tuesday, Jul 24, 2007 at 20:40
Tuesday, Jul 24, 2007 at 20:40
You might consider using some CEM treatment.
If you have sticky rings on the one cylinder, CEM will free it up, and give the rest a good cleanout as
well.
It would be highly unlikely to make things worse.
No affiliation, etc.. Have used it successfully in the past.
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Reply By: Eric Experience - Tuesday, Jul 24, 2007 at 21:06
Tuesday, Jul 24, 2007 at 21:06
Guzzi.
to determine if the test is correct, with the motor running loosen the injector pipes one at a time and note how much difference it makes, if the drop in revs is the same for all cylinders you are ok, if its not the head has to come off then you will know. To check for broken rings with the head off just place some oil on the
bore and turn the motor over by hand, when the piston goes down there should be a full uniform circle of oil on the
bore. Good luck Eric.
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Reply By: Member - WORM (VIC) - Wednesday, Jul 25, 2007 at 20:03
Wednesday, Jul 25, 2007 at 20:03
Hi Pete, Mate every diesel I have checked for imbalances in compression between cylinders has been by doing a wet test the same as a petrol engine. There is no problem with putting a small amount of oil down the pot of a diesel engine as long as there is no injector or lines connected. Only remove the injector from the cylinder you are testing but have all other injector lines disconnected this will ensure the engine will not fire up. If the compression increases look at ring wear.
If it stays the same it will either be worn valves seating or Head gasket. Make sure the valve clearances are correct prior to doing the test. It is a major cause for any diesel to lack power.
Cheers Worm
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