Cape York.........

Submitted: Tuesday, Jul 24, 2007 at 21:37
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I'm reading all I can find about Cape York and I don't get the Crocodile warnings and stories. I'm reading the Vic Moon book and there is lots of photos people swimming and in kayaks or rubber dinghies even in the Yardine River. people camping right next to the Jardine and sleeping a few meters from the Rivers edge.
The next sentence in the book says there is definitely Crocs in the river and tells us to be croc-wise.
Swimming in the Jardine river doesn't sound croc-wise to me..........what's the real story? What's the chance of getting eaten?

cheers
Reiner
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Reply By: Voxson - Tuesday, Jul 24, 2007 at 21:43

Tuesday, Jul 24, 2007 at 21:43
The chance of being attacked is greater in the wet season because that is when they become more aggressive but The Jardine has heaps of crocs in it and DONT take chances...
I see heaps of people when i go up north going to the waters edge more than twice in the same spot, using rubber boats, cleaning fish at the waters edge, bathing in the shallows at night time...etc etc...

DONT DO IT....
A rogue croc will attack you and you wouldnt even see it coming,,, you just treat the water like you can see 30crocs at all times and you will be ok...
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Reply By: Muddies Doe(Trippn) - Tuesday, Jul 24, 2007 at 22:12

Tuesday, Jul 24, 2007 at 22:12
Hi Rainer

Yes, I too have wondered why these pics would be in any book that features the beware croc signs. Gives a bit of a false sense of security to people who don't understand the environment up there.
There are "safe" places to swim like Twin Falls, Fruit Bat Falls but given a good rainy season and these too may have a croc or 2 in them. I know they are checked by the N.P. people but one really never knows.
But in answer to your question that IS the crocs home you if you enter it then you're taking a chance. Chances are you will come away ok but as mentioned above a croc who wants will find it's source and maybe you will be it? Life's a chance but you don't have to better the odds in the wrong direction, through simple lack of common-sense and complacency.

Cya
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Reply By: Footloose - Tuesday, Jul 24, 2007 at 22:15

Tuesday, Jul 24, 2007 at 22:15
Too right ! More than one person has been taken on the Cape, not all touros. Sometimes the locals think they're immune but history proves otherwise.
One bloke was taken when diving in to help the ferry operator if my memory serves me correctly...kids, dogs etc...all MacDonalds to a hungry croc.
What about the one that went across the beach to a tent recently ?

What are the chances of getting eaten ? None if you remember what an old timer told me on my first trip to the north.
"Just remember that a crocodile's one aim in life is to grab you and eat you."
You don't mess with 'em.
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Follow Up By: Muddies Doe(Trippn) - Tuesday, Jul 24, 2007 at 22:27

Tuesday, Jul 24, 2007 at 22:27
Hi Footloose

We were amazed to see 3 little local kiddies jumping off the Jardine ferry, swim along side of it only to hop back on board and then do the same on the return journey back in mid 1988.
We were even more amazed to watch a local mother fishing with her child between her and the water's edge on the 2nd bridge at Weipa in 2002. Dad was asleep in the car.

Cya
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Reply By: Member - Crazy Dog (QLD) - Tuesday, Jul 24, 2007 at 23:18

Tuesday, Jul 24, 2007 at 23:18
I live in Cairns and the advice of locals is : Swim and your gone - do so at your own risk and that is anytime of the year...

So don't ask the question again - DO NOT SWIM IN PLACES MARKED AS CROC AREAS and be bloody careful even at the beaches north of Cairns not just for stingers but for the lizzards as well..

YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.....

Grrrr!!!
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Follow Up By: Members - Chris/Lindsay (VIC) - Thursday, Jul 26, 2007 at 22:32

Thursday, Jul 26, 2007 at 22:32
How far north and how often are they sighted North of Cairns?
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Follow Up By: Member - Crazy Dog (QLD) - Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 10:51

Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 10:51
Crocodiles Does this answer your question?

Never trust a crocodile smile.
A crocodile has 66 teeth, each of which can be replaced many times during a lifetime.

Crocodile tears.
Crocodiles have a see-through third eyelid which is closed when it swims underwater.

Did you know?
The temperature at which crocodile eggs are kept during incubation determines the gender of the hatchlings. Low and high temperatures produce females while temperatures of 31-33deg.C produce males.

With snapping jaws and prehistoric looks, crocodiles are one of Australia's most feared animals.

Australia is home to two types of crocodile: the freshwater crocodile (Crocodylus johnstoni), and the estuarine (saltwater) crocodile (Crocodylus porosus). Both live in northern Australia, mainly across the top of Queensland, Northern Territory and Western Australia.

Both types are important to conserve, because Australia is the only country inhabited by the freshwater crocodile, and the estuarine crocodile is a threatened species.

In fact, Australia is one of the very few places in the world where estuarine crocodiles have a chance to survive.

Beware! Although these animals are important to conserve, they can pose a serious threat to people. Freshwater crocodiles pose less danger but estuarine crocodiles are very dangerous animals.

What does it look like?
Freshwater crocodiles are grey or olive-brown with ragged dark mottling. A freshwater crocodile can be distinguished from an estuarine by its narrow snout, needle-like teeth and row of four large scales on the neck immediately behind its head.

A male freshwater crocodile rarely grows larger than 2.5m in length while the female is usually under 2m.

Estuarine crocodiles are grey, olive-brown or almost black, with ragged dark mottling. Unlike the freshwater crocodile, the estuarine crocodile has a broad snout, thick teeth and no row of large scales on its neck.

An adult male can reach 7m in length, although most are less than 5m. Females are usually under 4m.

Where does it live?
Freshwater crocodiles make their home in inland freshwater rivers, billabongs and swamps of northern Australia. These crocodiles move into new areas during the wet season (November-April).As the floodwaters recede, the crocodiles return to their usual habitats.

The freshwater crocodile is found only in Australia. In Queensland, they are found mainly in rivers of Cape York Peninsula and the Gulf of Carpentaria.

Estuarine crocodiles are found throughout south-east Asia - from India all the way south to Australia.

They are found across northern Australia in fresh and salt water habitats. In Queensland, estuarine crocodiles lives mainly in coastal waters between Rockhampton and Cape York and throughout the Gulf of Carpentaria.

Although it lives mainly in the tidal reachers of rivers, the estuarine crocodile is also common in freshwater lagoons and swamps and beaches. This crocodile can even be seen in inland waterways hundreds of kilometres from the sea and on Great Barrier Reef islands.

What does it eat?
Crocodiles are top of the food chain in wetland environments, preying on many different animals.

Freshwater crocodiles are active during the day but forage mostly at night. They eat small things like insects, fish, frogs, lizards, turtles, bats and birds.

Mainly nocturnal, young estuarine crocodiles munch on fish, frogs, prawns, crabs and insects. Larger crocodiles eat larger prey such as pigs, wallabies and even other crocodiles.

To capture prey, both types of crocodile wait in ambush at the water's edge and then lunge or snap sideways at animals which come to feed or drink. Another method is dragging prey underwater, then twisting it in a 'death-roll' until it dies or disintergrates.

How does it breed?
Freshwater crocodiles nest in August and september during the dry season. About 12 eggs are laid in simple holes dug in sand or soil near the water's edge. Incubation takes 65-90 days, so the young usually hatch before the first floods of the wet season.

When about 12 years old, a female estuarine crocodile will make a nest, a large mound of soil and vegetation, on the banks of a watercourse or freshwater swamp. She will then lay about 50 eggs and guard the nest during incubation, which takes about 90 days.

Sex of the offspring is determined by incubation temperature: low and high temperatures produce females and temperatures of 31-33 deg.C produce males.

When the young estuarine crocodile hatches from its egg, it squeaks to attract the mother.

The female protects the estuarine crocodile hatchlings for four to five weeks. Distressed hatchlings squawk loudly to attract the mother's attention. The mother comes immediatly to defend her offspring from predators.

Where is it seen?
Seeing crocodiles in the wild is difficult - they are very wary and may stay underwater when people are around.

However, if you are careful you might see a crocodile. Crocodiles spend much of their day basking in the sun, sheltering among plants or in mud. Slide marks along river banks and beaches are a good indicator they may be close.

Threats to survival
Less that one percent of the eggs laid by an estuarine crocodile reach adulthood. Floods destroy many crocodile nests. Young crocodiles are eaten by other animals, even other crocodiles!

Public antagonism towards crocodiles is also a threat to their survival. Unless the community values crocodiles and their habitats, it will be difficult to promote their long-term conservation.

Protection
While crocodiles are killed in other countries for their skins, Australia's two species of crocodiles are protected. In Queensland, interfering with crocodiles or their eggs and possessing or taking parts of crocodiles are illegal without a licence from the Queensland Parks and Wildlife Service.

The Service has been conducting research on the biology of freshwater and estuarine crocodiles for many years. Through research, it hopes to:

assess crocodile numbers and locations;
determine their ecological role in water ecosystems;
understand their reproductive biology and population traits; and
encourage conservation and management of healthy wild populations, while keeping the risk to people as low as possible.
Keeping the balance between protecting crocodiles and protecting people from crocodiles is a challenge for the Environmental Protection Agency.

The Agency is concerned about crocodiles being in places where people live. Potentially dangerous crocodiles are often captured and relocated away from people or made available to zoos.

The future
Crocodiles are one of few remaining links to our prehistoric past. As predator and prey, crocodiles play an important role in keeping our wetlands healthy.

Grrr!!!

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Follow Up By: Members - Chris/Lindsay (VIC) - Saturday, Jul 28, 2007 at 10:03

Saturday, Jul 28, 2007 at 10:03
I suppose you just have to rely on local advice around Cairns. We have been there and done that but not since 1983 and I thought that maybe the crocs had moved further south than they were then.
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Reply By: Eric from Cape York Connections - Wednesday, Jul 25, 2007 at 07:02

Wednesday, Jul 25, 2007 at 07:02
I have travelled to the cape many times and I would defiantly not swim in the Jardine There are places I do swim but will not disclose them.

All the best
Eric
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Reply By: JimDi - Wednesday, Jul 25, 2007 at 10:29

Wednesday, Jul 25, 2007 at 10:29
Reiner,
In 2003 whilst camped on the Normanby we were made aware of a croc nearby but had not seen it after a few days. We were getting water for cooking/washing by dropping a bucket on a rope from the branch of an overhanging tree. River banks were about 2m high. I had just remarked to my mate about the whereabouts of the croc when we both noticed him cruise past under the bucket.
I had the feeling at the time that the croc was just letting me know that I was in his territory and all I had to do was make a mistake. He/she must have been watching us all the time. A short time later another camper wandered down to check his yabby net, no luck so threw it back in. Sure enough the croc surfaced about 2mins later.
But then again I could be wrong maybe the croc just wanted to play.
Take care.
JimDi
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Reply By: Ian from Thermoguard Instruments - Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 08:56

Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 08:56
Hi All,

On our trip to Cape York in 2002, we saw a graphic example of how easy it would be to become a croc's lunch. As we walked out across the few hundred metres of rocky outcrop to the actual "tip", we looked down at the beautiful pristine beach running west from the outcrop. And there, basking in the mid-morning sun, was a 4+ m croc, in knee-deep water and only a metre or two from where the little ripples washed up the beach. From our high vantage point it was easily visible but down on the beach, with the sun glittering off the water, you could have been standing less than 2m from a 4m killing machine - and have no idea it was there...

Twin Falls was the only time our swimmers came out north of my sister's swimming pool in Innisfail. And then we stayed in the shallow rapids, not the deep pools.

Enjoy a brilliant part of Oz but take care.
Ian
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