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Submitted: Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 16:49
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with the ever increasing lengths to draw bars on trailers has anyone ever weighed the actual weight at the hitch when fully loaded and when they return home.
for-instance, I am at a loss as to how one can stack a kimberly. With a limited storage capacity aft of the axle, compared to the long drawbar length and cargo area up front, (the kitchen, fridge, jerry can and holders etc etc), i cant see how one could load so that the hitch has the so called 10% of total weight.
your thoughts?
Reply By: Notso - Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 17:11
Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 17:11
As a caravanner I guess we have more flexibility. But things like Jerry Cans of Fuel Boat Motors and the like are often stored on the draw bar.
If the jerrycans are at the back then that shifts quite a lot of weight aft. I had a camper trailer a few years back and with a rack for the boat on top I found that I could mount the small outboard on the draw bar but
well back against the trailer body. Two Jerrycans at the back. The hitch weight ended up as 110 kilos
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Reply By: Ingtar - Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 17:36
Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 17:36
Assuming items are stacked close to the trailer, leverage says that a longer draw bar will decrease the ball weight. Of course this doesn't work if you keep putting more stuff on the increasing space on the draw bar. Not that I've noticed actual draw bar length increasing.
Another advantage of a longer draw bar - more stable towing, less swaying.
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Follow Up By: Member No 1- Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 21:21
Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 21:21
draw bars are as long as trailer these days and with wheels 1/2 way along trailer , it leaves a lot of area in front of trailer with cargo
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Reply By: Redback - Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 17:47
Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 17:47
I have 120kg over the hitch, trailer is approx 1.3t and max weight over the tow hitch is 250kg, with a max tow capacity of 3500kg.
I don't play around when it comes to towing, i've seen too many combinations come to grief because they think it's OK.
Set it up
well and don't assume it's fine, make sure your not towing on or near your max capacity, this doesn't give you a margine of error or adjustment.
Baz.
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Reply By: Ozboc - Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 17:48
Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 17:48
Very good post / observation - myself i generally load a trailer to where i think it looks about right - ie most weight over axels and small amount over tow ball - i then try to take trailer of towball by manually lifting - if its impossible to lift -- then i know i need to change load - if it pops up and goes up - then i need more weight forward
Not sure if this meathod is available for caravans , but it works with my 10 foot fully enclosed dual axel trailer :)
Boc
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Follow Up By: Member No 1- Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 21:19
Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 21:19
yep...load it till it looks right going
but how do you manage coming home.... with all food
water etc etc consumed?
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Reply By: Nick R (VIC) - Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 17:54
Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 17:54
I reckon I must have quite a bit of weight on the tow ball, I drove from
Warraweena out to
beltana roadhouse, down and into
Brachina gorge and nearly out the other side until I noticed the ball hitch wasn't latched properly. The weight had kept it on for nearly 2 hours, mostly on roughish dirt roads. I only noticed because I couldn't open the rear door on the patrol much when we stopped for lunch....
NickR
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Follow Up By: Member No 1- Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 21:18
Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 21:18
now if that was me i would have still been looking for it
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Reply By: Member - barry F (NSW) - Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 18:58
Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 18:58
Hello there No 1, We are fairly new to the Caravanning scene but made a lot of effort in trying to get our act together when it came to Van weight in relation to tow vehicle etc as
well as paying attention to tow ball weight distibution with the Hayman weight distribution set up.
We live in
Newcastle & we have an automotive place called "ISP", they have a number of branches in our region and are in the same game as super cheap, Repco etc.
Anyway, the reason I mention all of that is that our local "ISP" have a set of scales that are designed specifically for checking tow ball weight. Just have the weight of your van/ trailer on the jockey wheel, place the scale under the hitch receiver, use the jockey wheel to lower the weight onto the scale, & hey presto, you know exactly what weight you are putting on the ball.
the scales are stamped "Hayman Reese", & upon paying $100.00 deposit, take the scales home, check the weight as above, take scales back & they fully refund your $100 bucks. No guess work, provided you do it AFTER the better half has finished loading it it with her girly things. We do every time before a trip because its easy & makes for safety. I would imagine other outlets such as our "ISP" would offer something similiar. Best wishes
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Follow Up By: Member No 1- Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 21:28
Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 21:28
if you do a search of EO you should find a link how to weigh and do this at home without hiring repco gear
i read it here some time back
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Reply By: Member - Norm C (QLD) - Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 19:45
Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 19:45
I have weighed
mine fully loaded. When fully loaded I have 4 full gerries, fold up boat trailer, spare wheel, 120 AH battery, storage box with gennie, two 4.5 KG gas bottles, porta pottie and a few other things, and two tubes with tent poles and fishing rods all on the draw bar. Also have a 60 litre
water storage forward of the axle (plus 140 litre rear of axle). Don't always travel with this weight, but sometimes do depending on where we are going.
Fully loaded ball weight is a shade under 225 KG, which is 15% of trailer total weight and right on vehicle limit. I use front
water tank first and empty fuel as I go.
With all gerries and front
water tank empty, I come down to about 140 KG, or 9% of trailer weight, if rear
water tank remains full. As I empty rear tank, I come back up towards 15%. I can not travel with rear
water tank empty and draw bar fully loaded, but that's not a problem.
I work on 10 to 15% being acceptable and find that 10% to 12% gives the best towing performance.
It takes some effort, but it is worth getting to know your weights and how load changes effect them.
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Follow Up By: Member No 1- Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 21:24
Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 21:24
Norm
what is size of trailer ...what is legth of draw bar from hitch to trailer?
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Follow Up By: Member - Norm C (QLD) - Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 21:34
Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 21:34
It's dark and cold outside. I'll try to remember to measure tomorrow.
Trailer is an Odyssey by Australian Off Road Campers.
Draw bar is about 300mm longer than 'standard'.
This is draw bar set up:
!MPG:19!
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Follow Up By: Member - Norm C (QLD) - Saturday, Jul 28, 2007 at 08:48
Saturday, Jul 28, 2007 at 08:48
Overall length is 4.8m. Draw bar is 2.3m. Guess that means the trailer is 2.5m.
In newer models, the builder has moved the batteries back and has them mounted close to the axle I think, so it would be easier to stay closer to 10 %.
Norm C
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Reply By: Middle Jeff - Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 20:04
Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 20:04
Hi No1
I have been trying to work this one out as I want a camper in the next 12 months or so and some of the responses are scary. More than one maker said they solve it by putting large
water tanks behind the, great if you do not want to actually use it.
Have fun
Craig
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Follow Up By: Middle Jeff - Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 20:06
Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 20:06
That would be behind the axel
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Follow Up By: Member No 1- Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 21:25
Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 21:25
thats logical......but what do you do when they are empty?
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Follow Up By: Middle Jeff - Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 22:10
Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 22:10
I have to admit that I never asked that question as I find salesman logic just a little scary. The best weight distribution I have found so far is the cub with the kitchen inside.
Have fun
Craig
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