Helicopters spotting on closed tracks!

Submitted: Saturday, Jul 28, 2007 at 11:37
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I have been reliably informed that helicopters are being used to spot vehicles travelling on closed tracks in the Victorian High Country. Most tracks are closed at the moment, & they are directing ground based vehicles to intercept offending vehicles at their point of exit.
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Reply By: Hairy - Saturday, Jul 28, 2007 at 11:58

Saturday, Jul 28, 2007 at 11:58
Bloody hell! They wouldnt go to those extremes to find a stolen car!
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Follow Up By: Exploder - Saturday, Jul 28, 2007 at 12:42

Saturday, Jul 28, 2007 at 12:42
You telling me, what does a Chopper cost per hour to have in the air

Bout $55-$70 a hour for a pilot
Let's say $20 a hour for his spotter
20 odd litres a hour in fuel at like $1.25+ a litre
servicing cost's
Chopper rental
other overheads.

Wouldn't be cheep exercise that's for sure.

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Follow Up By: Steve from Top End Explorer Tours - Saturday, Jul 28, 2007 at 12:48

Saturday, Jul 28, 2007 at 12:48
An R22 chopper cost about $800 per hour to fly.

Steve.
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Saturday, Jul 28, 2007 at 12:56

Saturday, Jul 28, 2007 at 12:56
Maybe they are just sick of people driving around signs!
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Follow Up By: howie - Saturday, Jul 28, 2007 at 13:04

Saturday, Jul 28, 2007 at 13:04
i seem to remember the fine for driving on closed roads in w.a. was about $1000 an axle.
would'nt need to catch many at this price.
whats the fine over there?
they deserve it IMHO, lot of damage caused in these conditions.
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Follow Up By: Crackles - Saturday, Jul 28, 2007 at 13:29

Saturday, Jul 28, 2007 at 13:29
Could be seen as value for money. A convoy of 4by's driving a closed track have been known to cause far more damage than the hire of a chopper. King Spur a while ago was chewed up so much that bulldozer work to repair 7 km of it cost $20,000.
With vehicles becoming more capable & magazines showing more extreme off road driving, unfortunately a few people are going places they shouldn't causing untold damage. An example is a group continued on from the Blue Rag Range track upstream in the Wongungarra river driving up the banks to get around deep water holes, falling & pushing hundreds of trees down to make their own track over 10 km's. Thankfully these are rare occurances but a couple of well publicized convictions may encourage others to do the right thing.
Currently there is a court case pending after 4 wheel drivers where caught by hidden camera's cutting a road closure away.
I suppose if one is doing the wrong thing out in the bush now they will need to look over their shoulders more often.
ps: If a motor mechanic charges out at $80 per hour, a chopper pilot would have to be almost $200.
Cheers Craig..........
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Follow Up By: Hairy - Saturday, Jul 28, 2007 at 13:38

Saturday, Jul 28, 2007 at 13:38
A bloke went missing North of Alice the other day in below 0 degree temps. They didnt get a chopper in the air for 3 days and then bitched about putting up a second!
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Follow Up By: Crackles - Saturday, Jul 28, 2007 at 16:07

Saturday, Jul 28, 2007 at 16:07
And the end result of the search was.........................?
Cheers Craig.
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Saturday, Jul 28, 2007 at 16:33

Saturday, Jul 28, 2007 at 16:33
I believe it is ongoing.
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Follow Up By: Hairy - Saturday, Jul 28, 2007 at 17:30

Saturday, Jul 28, 2007 at 17:30
They found him. Ended up wandering out of the scrub a few kms north. Hes a full on looney.
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Follow Up By: Blaze - Tuesday, Jul 31, 2007 at 23:24

Tuesday, Jul 31, 2007 at 23:24
I believe if itcosts the $800 to $1200 an hr depending on type of Chopper its well worth it if in the long run it helps save total closures of tracks for all of us just because of a few dick 4's don't want to follow the rules....
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Reply By: Member - Brett C (WA) - Saturday, Jul 28, 2007 at 13:37

Saturday, Jul 28, 2007 at 13:37
This is where the all to common subject of 4WD areas come into play. If only the State Governments would allow certain areas purely for off road vehicles then those closed roads will get either very little or no use what so ever.....

.....but thats common sense and I'm yet to see a state government that has even an ounce of that!
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Saturday, Jul 28, 2007 at 15:52

Saturday, Jul 28, 2007 at 15:52
So how would that save the tracks from being damaged?
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Follow Up By: hoyks - Saturday, Jul 28, 2007 at 23:01

Saturday, Jul 28, 2007 at 23:01
My Dad’s next door neighbour works for NSW State Forests and we were talking about the same thing. He was saying that the Forests on the Mid North Coast are under greater pressure now due to the new National Parks that were State Forests restricting where timber can be sourced.
He sees greater numbers of off roaders there too because the NP have blocked off tracks, so people drive in the now reduced area that are still forests, which puts more pressure on the environment.

I know when I head out I like to get away from the crowds but we seem to be getting pushed into a smaller area all the time.
Open up more areas and burn those that do the wrong thing, instead of making everyone suffer.
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Reply By: DIO - Saturday, Jul 28, 2007 at 17:38

Saturday, Jul 28, 2007 at 17:38
Like many Govt. Departments, you may find that they have an allocation of 'paid' helicopter hours that can be used for anything they desire. Or they may have a budget allocated to helicopter hire/use that also enables them to choose what they use them for. Fire spotting, weed and pest control, illegal logging etc etc. So happens they might have decided to get tough on those who choose to ignore road/track closed signs. Play the sailor - pay the price.
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Reply By: Member - John (Vic) - Saturday, Jul 28, 2007 at 19:12

Saturday, Jul 28, 2007 at 19:12
Whats the so called reliable source??

The bloke on the 3rd bar stool from the end of the bar??
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Saturday, Jul 28, 2007 at 19:22

Saturday, Jul 28, 2007 at 19:22
Why the attitude?

It is a source that I would not reveal on a public forum, but has been very handy in the past. I do live on the edge of the High Country & get quite a bit of helpful info, but if you want to disregard it ... feel free!
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Saturday, Jul 28, 2007 at 19:32

Saturday, Jul 28, 2007 at 19:32
No attitude just a simple question.

I also have a very reliable source and they say their is no such direct program.
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Follow Up By: awill4x4 - Saturday, Jul 28, 2007 at 22:40

Saturday, Jul 28, 2007 at 22:40
I'm with you John, I would think it should probably regarded as an "urban myth", in my mind there is no way DSE or whatever they are called this week would waste money on a scheme like that.
Regards Andrew.
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Follow Up By: hoyks - Saturday, Jul 28, 2007 at 23:06

Saturday, Jul 28, 2007 at 23:06
I was down in the Wattagans 2 weeks ago and saw around 20 police on trailbikes with NPWS rangers, so aerial surveys that reported unauthorised vehicle movements as a secondary responsibility wouldn’t surprise me at all.
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Saturday, Jul 28, 2007 at 23:13

Saturday, Jul 28, 2007 at 23:13
As I said earlier, I live on the edge of the High Country & they fly over here quite regularly, I am sure that they aren't fire spotting.
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