Lokka, differential Locks

Submitted: Monday, Jul 30, 2007 at 12:53
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Info needed. I am thinking of converting my 100 series to a part time 4x4 and putting in a front diff lock, has anyone had experience with Lokka differential Locks www.4wdsystems.com.au/html/lokka.htm They have been around for some time and I was hoping someone had some experience with them so I could get a users opinion. Or maybe suggest a better option.

Any advice would be great. Thanks
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Reply By: Member - Ian H (NSW) - Monday, Jul 30, 2007 at 13:23

Monday, Jul 30, 2007 at 13:23
I have a Lock Right locker, which is the original brand, int he front of our 80 part time 4wd series and it is great. Remember though that they are really "auto unlockers" in that they are normally locked and unlock only when the outside wheel is turned faster than the inside wheel by ground speed and locks up again when the vehicle is travelling straight. I would probably avoid the chinese made Lokka brand and pay a bit extra for the real thing. They are easy ti install yourself if you are a capable home mechanic and takes about 4 hours and does not require the diff to be "set up" again. Good luck.
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Follow Up By: Skippy In The GU - Wednesday, Aug 01, 2007 at 18:32

Wednesday, Aug 01, 2007 at 18:32
The lokka is made in Salisbury 20 kms north of Adelaide.
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Reply By: Member - Doug T (W.A) - Monday, Jul 30, 2007 at 14:54

Monday, Jul 30, 2007 at 14:54
Here is some very good info for you to read

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Reply By: Steve from Top End Explorer Tours - Monday, Jul 30, 2007 at 15:56

Monday, Jul 30, 2007 at 15:56
Your question is confusing, If you have a standard 100 series it is already a part time 4wd, If it is a GXL and you want to put free wheel hubs on it it already has diff locks.

Is this what you mean.

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Follow Up By: Ingtar - Monday, Jul 30, 2007 at 18:46

Monday, Jul 30, 2007 at 18:46
Constant 4wd doesn't mean diff-locks, (except between the two diffs - center lock). There is still a normal differential in the front (unless it was factory optioned, and I haven't seen many of them).
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Follow Up By: DirtDevil - Tuesday, Jul 31, 2007 at 00:48

Tuesday, Jul 31, 2007 at 00:48
Thanks Steve, I'm not sure but maybe I have it all wrong!!! My 98, 100 series has and LSD in the rear, open standard diff in the front and the so called centre diff lock in the rear of the transfer case. From what I understand this needs to be modified if you want to place a diff lock in the front. The link from Doug may explain better what I'm getting at. Thanks
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Follow Up By: djm67 - Tuesday, Jul 31, 2007 at 22:06

Tuesday, Jul 31, 2007 at 22:06
Sorry Steve, but actually your answer is more confusing than the question.

The Toyota set up may be different to whatever you are familiar with.

A 'Standard' is indeed part time 4WD in the classic sense, with transfer case and free wheeling hubs. Open diff front, useless LSD in the rear.

A 'GXL' gas a 3rd diff in the centre (like landrover) which gives constant 4WD, this 3rd diff can be locked to provide the same level of traction as a part time 4WD with the transfer case engaged. Open diff front, useless LSD in the rear.
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Follow Up By: Steve from Top End Explorer Tours - Tuesday, Jul 31, 2007 at 23:58

Tuesday, Jul 31, 2007 at 23:58
djm67

I own 2 soon to 3 GXLs a STD 100 series and a troopy, I have also owned a few other Toyota's in my time.

I'm well aware of the way they work, in fact I do 95% of my own maintenance.

In my experience (29 years) of driving Toyota 4wds, I've always found that people that break gearboxes and diffs, generaly have no idea how to drive these vehicles.

It is clear to see that there are people like you and Dirt Devel that know more about Toyota's than Toyota them selves, what confuses me more is how you 2 don't have a job in there engineering department.

Why take a perfectly good set up and F*ck it up.

Look forward to your informed answer.

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Follow Up By: Ingtar - Wednesday, Aug 01, 2007 at 12:27

Wednesday, Aug 01, 2007 at 12:27
Pretty arrogant answer Steve. If you are in fact "well aware of the way they work" then you're not very good at communicating it. These guys just explained things the way they are, and any manual will back them up.

"In my experience (29 years) of driving Toyota 4wds, I've always found that people that break gearboxes and diffs, generaly have no idea how to drive these vehicles." I agree with that. I hear all sorts of horror stories about things going wrong, yet the mines have been using them for how many years? If you drive anything hard enough, something will break.

However the fact that Toyota do offer diff-locks as an option suggests that there may be a use for it but most people may not need it. Which is kind of what has happened here.. Somebody wants to upgrade a vehicle without the option.

Maybe in your 29 years of driving Toyota 4wds you've learnt how to drive them in various conditions (one would hope so). Maybe you've learnt their limitations, and choose not to put them somewhere they can't go (one would also hope so).

Diff locks will give the ability to go some of those places they can't ordinarily go, or let somebody with less skill get through difficult patches more safely, or do less damage to both vehicles and environment because you can go through areas more slowly. Power is nothing without control.
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Follow Up By: djm67 - Wednesday, Aug 01, 2007 at 17:18

Wednesday, Aug 01, 2007 at 17:18
My informed answer is you sound like a d!ck.

If this is the attitude you project with all people you deal with I imagine your business is in decline.

If you find an LSD that fails soon after driving it off the showroom floor to be an example of acceptable engineering in the year A.D. 2007 then I guess that sums up your mechanical apptitude.

P.S. There is a 100 (work) & an 80 (private) series in my driveway.
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Follow Up By: DirtDevil - Wednesday, Aug 01, 2007 at 20:29

Wednesday, Aug 01, 2007 at 20:29
Well I have to say Steve, your attitude is very poor. If I had the experience you say you have I would not need to ask the question. I in no way attacked you or defamed you so what is your problem?

While I have own other cruisers before none were so called full time 4wd. This vehicle does not have a front diff lock and one wheel spins in mud. I have not owned this vehicle long and asked for advice for this reason.

I am new to this site and joined with the thought of being able to learn from those that have the knowledge and experience. while I have received some great advice and help from others on this site it seems that there are those that are so full of them selves that they have to be jerks and treat those that are less informed with disrespect.

I would like to thanks those that helped with useful information for your time.
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Follow Up By: Steve from Top End Explorer Tours - Thursday, Aug 02, 2007 at 00:24

Thursday, Aug 02, 2007 at 00:24
Firstly Dirt Devel please accept my apologies.
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I was just trying to understand your Question a little better,there were other posts that assumed I didn't know what I was talking about, as you can see it was late and I was spending time here winding down after an 18 hour day, only to have my question torn apart .
My post was mistakenly aimed at you.

To answer your question, there is nothing wrong with the rear or front diff, if you don't drive it like you stole it, the centre diff locks work just fine as apposed to the changes that you ask.

On a resent holiday I got bogged on the Finke track drivers side down, after taking the trailer off I selected low 4 pushed the diff lock and simply drove the car out, had I bogged all for wheels front or rear diff locks would have made no difference.

My point is if you spend a large sum of money doing these changes IMOA I don't think you will benifit from this, I hope this helps.

So djm67 in the last 7 years of business I've owned 2 75 series, 1 80 series and currently 1 Std 100 series, 1 78 series, 2 GXL 100 series and because business is so good I'm buying another GXL 100 series next week.

Those cars alone have done combined 700000 km.

In those 7 years I have never had a problem with the LSD diff, just for your info they are all identical, So I refer to my comment before if you break these diffs it is driver error.

So if you broke a diff shortly after you bought your car, I would pit my mechanical
and driving skills against yours any day of the week, then you have the hide to call me a Dick.

Ingtar I'm certainly not arrogant but perhaps tired.

IMOA the central diff locks in a GXL or after market diff locks can get you out of trouble if experienced or into trouble if not.

Steve.
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Reply By: Member - Lindsay- Monday, Jul 30, 2007 at 16:01

Monday, Jul 30, 2007 at 16:01
G,day DirtDevil

I installed my 4wd systems front lokka and part time kit in my series 80 Landcruiser 4.5 years ago and 120,000km along the track.
Faultless during the whole time and has made steering lighter, fuel economy better or more power available (you cant have both together). It has made the traction factor awsome and for the small investment I think it is good value. My "polar bear" doesnt get used as a car, only used for towing my 3 tonne van or 4wding. Trips include Simpson Desert, Anne Beadell & Connie Sue Hways, Cape York, Vitcorian High Country and most of the easier tracks as well as heaps in the area near Bendethra NSW which in my home turf.

Hope this helps your decision

Lindsay & the magnificent "polar bear"
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Reply By: djm67 - Tuesday, Jul 31, 2007 at 22:10

Tuesday, Jul 31, 2007 at 22:10
I had a Lokka in the front of a Holden Rodeo.

No complaints, little noise, great for traction, steering still managable, return to centre is certainly a bit more abrupt though.

Remember they are engaged all the time, BUT they only come into affect when you shift the stubby lever into 4WD, the rest of the time it has no impact on anything.
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Reply By: Coops (Perth) - Thursday, Aug 02, 2007 at 22:01

Thursday, Aug 02, 2007 at 22:01
Have had Lokka's front & rear for 7 years now in my 80 Series and have found them to be bloody fantastic. Between Lokkas and letting my tyres down I've never been stuck, yet have had to pull others out many times.

I had part time 4x4 already and didn't have to do the conversion.

Hope this helps DirtDevil
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