Best GPS? And why?

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I would like to get my hubby a GPS for Fathers Day but have no idea where to start so thought I would ask the people who actually have them! (He manages to get lost going around the block, and then expects me to find the way home!!) Which do you think is the best and why? Best value for money? Best maps? Best ease of use? Best software? Etc. PS Im a sandgroper so which is the best for WA? Also we have a PC so which is the best for compatability etc. I hope Im not asking so many questions that Im going to completely confuse myself when you give me the answers. Thanks in advance for any replies. Danielle
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Reply By: Robin Miller - Monday, Jul 30, 2007 at 20:55

Monday, Jul 30, 2007 at 20:55
Hi Danielle

You need to decide first wether he needs a Navigator or a more general purpose GPS and some idea of your budget.

If he gets lost going around the block then Nuvi 660 is a good way to go.

For me the descision rested around a screen that you could see in sunlight and
general purpose GPS features so I have a 276c

Both of the above Garmin models have higher resolution screens.

The later has the the highest screen output that I am aware of and is waterproof as well.

Maps of roughly the same quality can be purchased for most GPs'es ($250-$300) whereas navigators tend to have them inbuilt , espically the lower cost items.
Some Navigaotrs like 660 can load alternate maps sets.

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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (W.A) - Monday, Jul 30, 2007 at 21:00

Monday, Jul 30, 2007 at 21:00
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Follow Up By: The Explorer - Thursday, Aug 02, 2007 at 12:23

Thursday, Aug 02, 2007 at 12:23
"Maps of roughly the same quality can be purchased for most GPs'es ($250-$300)"

Slightly misleading - Magellan map products for out of town areas (ie DAST, DAST topo and latest Magellan and Hema Maps Discover DiscoverAus Outback Tourer Maps) are considerably better than any Garmin map product that you would consider using for same purpose. The free Shonkymaps available for Garmins represent the best you can get for out of town areas (AFAIK – could be wrong - correct me if so) as Garmin don’t make a comparable product. Unfortunately Shonkymaps use 250K scale map data and as a consequence significant areas show no tracks/roads and certainly no street level data for anywhere (unlike the Magellan products which do).

Buying a mapping GPS and only having second rate maps is fine if the maps available will suit your purpose (maybe 250K scale maps do) but I wouldn’t be canvassing Garmin (or any other brand) out of town maps as "the same quality" as Magellan DAST/DAST topo etc – they’re not, the diffference is significant.

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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Thursday, Aug 02, 2007 at 13:32

Thursday, Aug 02, 2007 at 13:32
Hi Greg

Interesting subject, I think its reasonable to compare the Magellan/Garmin maps.

I think there are issues with both. On a PC I think the Magellan look better
but when implemented into the available products they don't come up as well.

Part of this is the significantly lower resolution (4:1) of Magellan screens
(comparing XL against 276c ) and lower level of screen brigthness but other part
seems to me to be a less than optimum selection of levels at which some roads appear.
I have been with people who have just driven past tracks based on using the typical settings whereas had they zoomed in they would have been seen.
The screen resolution issues makes this less of a problem than with Garmins .

Garmin map products seem to have better settings and the Shonkies only have 3 layers in there maps.

I use Garmin City navigator, Shonky, T4A , they each have real issues and this seems area dependant. There are many country tracks shown on City Nav that are not on the older base maps of T4A and Shonky.

Fortunately the Garmins have two seperate modes of operation ,marine and automotive with different characteristics and its possible to quickly change between
the two with different map selection and zoom parameters. This is a real plus.

Both Magellan and more so Garmin appear to have lots of old and incorrect data and must admit I'm finding that building my own map set based on something like Shonky with contours and with additions seems to be the best solution for now.

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Follow Up By: The Explorer - Thursday, Aug 02, 2007 at 14:09

Thursday, Aug 02, 2007 at 14:09
No worries Rob - was just pointing out that I didn't think that Garmin had any maps (commercially available or free) that were of a similar quality to Magellans DAST series, and therefore thought your comment implying they were of the same quality was somewhat bemusing . There are of course the other issues, some of which you raised, relating to actual make and model specific things such as gps features, zoom scales, screen size and user knowledge. I have no desire to discuss any of these in any detail as I don't have knowledge on wide range of GPS units available and there is no right answer for everyone.

Making your own maps (or adding to existing maps) is also an option available for both Garmin and Magellan users but not something I would be suggesting the average punter undertake. I have actually just acquired a Garmin 60cx (already have an eXplorist 500) for the sole purpose of having a bash at making/testing some Mapsource compatable maps (not that I need too - I am an average punter too, but I have a serious map fetish). I use the program Addmagmap to add features to the existing DAST maps I have - this has worked ok for the simple job I have undertaken so far. Havent had a go at making any Garmin Maps yet - the main trouble I am having is finding the time .....see!! There goes another 10 minutes.

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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Thursday, Aug 02, 2007 at 14:45

Thursday, Aug 02, 2007 at 14:45
Sort of struggling through the same issues myself Greg and don't have the time to be an expert in map making.

I have been unhappy with even Hema stuff when I compare against many actual tracks plots I have driven.

While its all possible there are some real issues with map compatibility via mapsource and doing your own thing.

What is a lot easier is to to use a program like Gpsmapedit and grab a few image files from Shonky or Mapcenter and modify them and upload them to a seperate memory card as a Garminsupp.img file via a program called Img2Gps which can make this file automatically. This is a combined base file in the GPS and there can only be one , hence need to keep it on memory card seperate from any commercial maps.

This approach requires changing cards but solves a lot of other issues if wish to make own maps.

This is where I'm up to but others may have better info,

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Follow Up By: The Explorer - Thursday, Aug 02, 2007 at 15:19

Thursday, Aug 02, 2007 at 15:19
Robin - thanks for tip - have copied your post and will keep for reference once I get past dreaming stage.

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Reply By: Danielle T - Monday, Jul 30, 2007 at 21:08

Monday, Jul 30, 2007 at 21:08
Heres a really stupid question! What is the difference between the Navigator GPS'S and the General Purpose ones? And the one you have is General Purpose?
Do they talk to you? Is that good or more of a irritant? As you can tell I havent yet done any research,so am probably being a bit dense, and asking dumb questions. Sorry! I thought Id start here and then go ask the 15 yr old sales people!!!!
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Monday, Jul 30, 2007 at 21:25

Monday, Jul 30, 2007 at 21:25
Hi Danielle

Have to make this quick cause theres a queue for using this PC tonight.

A navigator tends to be a unit with street maps in it , that you
can enter an address and it will guide you to your destination usually with voice prompts.

A general purpose GPS concetrates more on the position aspects and is designed
for more user input and the creation of waypoints , recording your tracks
and allows for manipulation of that data.

Generally the Navigator has good city maps , whereas GPs'es have lower resolution
background maps and are not designed to be able to tell you how to get somewhere (auto route).

They are dozens of positioning co-ordinate systems and map datums.

Generally a navigator will just record a point with a latitude and longitude
and use a current datum (WGS84).

The general purpose unit allows you to setup and record using a large selection of
these units which makes it easier to reference any given map set, and is preferred when exploring. I use a general purpose unit.

Units with some crossover features exist e.g. Quest/Nuvi etc


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Follow Up By: Danielle T - Monday, Jul 30, 2007 at 21:36

Monday, Jul 30, 2007 at 21:36
Thanks Robin, I guess the GeneralPurpose unit is what we are after. Thanks for replying so clearly. Its kinda making a bit more sense now. I guess narrowing down Brand and model is the next thing?
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Reply By: Member - 'Lucy' - Monday, Jul 30, 2007 at 21:16

Monday, Jul 30, 2007 at 21:16
Ms D-T

You have asked one of THE most difficult questions to answer.

As it is a fathers day "surprise" , no doubt you don't want to consult him, however in the best interests, yourself, hubby, sanity, finances and common sense you should very carefully consider the following:

(1) Does he know what a GPS REALLY is and what it can do - if yes continue, if not get him a voucher to the nearest table top dancing club because I bet a dollar he will be able to find that without getting lest.

(2) Assuming yes for (1) does he/you know the difference between a Navigator which has GPS and maps in the one unit and a GPS stand-alone to be combined with maps, laptop, PDA, AUX screen etc etc.

Your question rolls all of these options into one product which doesn't exist to my knowledge.

(3) If yes to (1) & (2) do either of you know how to operate these aparatusi.

If not it is going to a neat pile of $$$$$$ sitting on the mantel piece that will remind you if time you look at it - why! did I buy that thing that no one can use or will use, or wishes to use.

(4) Are you or your hubby IT challenged - be honest with this one.

I'll await your answer/s and see if I can help you.

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Follow Up By: Danielle T - Monday, Jul 30, 2007 at 21:33

Monday, Jul 30, 2007 at 21:33
Hi Ken,
In answer to your questions
1. He is into boys toys!! (I dont think the two legged variety is appropriate. except me of course) He also likes to see where that track is going, takes the detour and after an few hours turns to me and says how do we get back to the main road!! Generally my wonderful sense of direction and a hell of a lot of luck, (and fuel)we make it back to some where kinda familar. But Im a bit concerned that one day we might not!!! I presume a GPS might help with that?
2. I generally take my laptop with us onour trips, but sometimes its not set up. So it would be handy nottohave to set it up every timewe wanted to see where we are. Or where we have been.
3.As you can tell Never used one, but I am very good with gadgets etc so could probably figure it out and explain it to my beloved in his easy to understand directions. He doesnt do instructions, but I do. So evenually after he as mucked around and stuffed things up, he gives it to me and I work it out (Fix it).Obviously though, aneasy to use model might be better than something that you need to have a computer degree to use.
4. Not a problem Im a gadget girl, and he is pretty cluey with all things mechanical etc, so between the two of us not much stops us getting things working, computers, engines and so on.

So therefore any help you can give us re buying the best model, would be very much appreciated.
Thanks again
Danielle
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Reply By: Member - 'Lucy' - Monday, Jul 30, 2007 at 21:19

Monday, Jul 30, 2007 at 21:19
Ah!

you beat me too it with your next question.

Do you want to use this gadget off road or to navigate arount cities and towns
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Follow Up By: Danielle T - Monday, Jul 30, 2007 at 21:34

Monday, Jul 30, 2007 at 21:34
Both but mainly bush, I have paper maps for around town. Thanks again.
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Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic)&Moses - Monday, Jul 30, 2007 at 22:52

Monday, Jul 30, 2007 at 22:52
Sounds like hubby gets lost with paper maps Danielle. Robin's suggestion above would be pretty good.

The good ones for country and bush require a bit more computer knowledge. They are the computer/IT ones that you could get to understand but hardly him if he hasn't that bent. The Navigator ones will tell him with a voice where to go. That could be on a PDA type too though.

Good to see a gal who is puter literate to that extent.
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Reply By: Member - 'Lucy' - Monday, Jul 30, 2007 at 23:01

Monday, Jul 30, 2007 at 23:01
Ms D-T

Try as you might, I am not going to get sucked into recommending anything. I value my life LOL

I will tell you though what I have experienced over the past 7 years.

My first buy was a Garmin E-Map (GPS) which came with Garmin General Aust Map included.

It was OK sort off map wise and excellent as a hand held GPS.

I then linked it to my Lap top and commenced using the Oziexplorer E-map moving map system.

This raized my navigation by moving map stakes 1,000,000%, but was a cumbersome setup.

I then purchased a GPS mouse (very cheap) which attached outside the vehicle by magnet and plugged into a USB port on the Laptop. Sensational setup for two people. One operating/navigating and one driving.

Highly exciting using it at night when you are the driver/navigator.

Soooooooo! I then bought a HP4700 PDA(pocket pc) and a BT338 GPS (Bluetooth) which connects to the PDA via Bluetooth.

The PDA has Oziexplorer CE on it and is mounted off of the A pillar in front of my face. Absolutely brilliant. Both the PDA mount and the BT338 are 12V powered and stay connected and powered for as long as needed.

I work on the Outback Challenge as a passage controller and they both go non stop for a week or more.

I still use the Laptop setup when SWMBO is in the vehicle as it gives her inclusion, something to do and a chance to issue directions. (still robust arguments over interpretations of what she is seeing though). LOL

Also my new laptop has bluetooth and is compatible with the BT338.

You also require the Laptop to convert the Electronic E-Maps to a version compatible for hand units that operate on Ozie-CE ( hand helds and or PDAs)

Member BONZ has all of the above plus the latest Garmin coloured handheld GPS (gadget man) and swears by them all.

So what fits your purpose is for you to think about, especially how you are going to obtain and use E-Maps.

Hopefully this may point you in the right direction.

Now having said all of that I bought a Navigator type thingy from Aldi when they had a special on same one Thursday about 6 mths ago.

It just sat on the floor in my "mess room" and got kicked around along with - I must try that sucker one day.

Well, just been to the Warraweena soiree and beyond and that setup showed all roads, towns, cities and most things I wanted to know.

Once we got off the surveyed roads and onto Googs Track it still worked by showed no track.

As we left Kingoonya for Glendambo the Stuart Hyway appeared and as we got closer Glendambo lit up.

It has SD card access and upload capacity, so I am going to experiment with it.

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Follow Up By: Danielle T - Monday, Jul 30, 2007 at 23:50

Monday, Jul 30, 2007 at 23:50
Well thanks for all that, I think I can now wander into a store and have a lot more idea as to what I do and dont want or require. I guess I might start off with a simple set up and see once we use that as to whether we need to upgrade to something more, or whether that would be a bit to over the top. We always seem to spend as much as we can afford and sometimes buy much more that we will ever use. Especially where computers and the accessories are concerned. Thanks for spending so much time explaining all the above clearly. Danielle
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Reply By: Member No 1- Tuesday, Jul 31, 2007 at 08:14

Tuesday, Jul 31, 2007 at 08:14
at the present moment I use a cheap hand held garmin...that gives UTM ...it can also give mins secs and degrees...but its to hard to plot on a Paper Map!...I have a compass as a back up to the GPS...great for when treking also

no point knowing the longitude /latitude if you dont know where you are on a map,....one needs maps either on the gps, laptop or paper ......but when the gps and or laptop dies you'd wish you had paper maps and a compass

so which GPS ?...one that plugs into a laptop and Ozi explorer? or the nuvi660?...i'm might go the nuvi with maps (portable, albeit a little bulky, but i can trek with it too...i think...need to do more checking but!) ..to save using/taking a lap top...but i will have my paper maps and compass as a backup
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Reply By: Member - Captain (WA) - Tuesday, Jul 31, 2007 at 08:59

Tuesday, Jul 31, 2007 at 08:59
Hi Danielle,

After reading your responses to the above, it sounds to me like the Garmin Quest would be the best compromise. It has full auto-routing capability (type in an address and it guides you there) plus has full "off-road" capability ie. you can plan a trip on your laptop and download it, it also has a "cookie crumb" trail so you can follow your way back if lost, plus a whole host of other features.

The Quest has the best of both worlds - simple Navigator and detailed GPS in one unit plus the advantage of being able to be used for bushwalking - it can be used handheld with its internal rechargable battery (and is fully waterproof). Very few navigator type GPS's can do this.

About the only drawback of the Quest is the relatively small screen compared to other units. But it is small so it can still be used hand held easily.

I have the Garmin GPS V (model before the Quest, essentially the same but BW screen) and a Nuvi 660. Around town I much prefer the Nuvi but when going on a camping trip will use the Garmin V. While I have the luxury of being able to choose either, if I only had one GPS, it would be the Quest.

Cheers

Captain
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Follow Up By: Danielle T - Tuesday, Jul 31, 2007 at 16:51

Tuesday, Jul 31, 2007 at 16:51
Hi Captain, Thanks very much for your response, You have told me exactly what I was after. Thanks also to everyone else responses. I feel much more able to do the shopping thing now. D
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Reply By: obee - Tuesday, Jul 31, 2007 at 19:31

Tuesday, Jul 31, 2007 at 19:31
this reminds me why my Yvonne is not allowed to buy me presents.

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Reply By: Member - Prickle (SA) - Wednesday, Aug 01, 2007 at 00:35

Wednesday, Aug 01, 2007 at 00:35
Danielle,
I recently upgraded to a Garmin Quest and whilst still learning, I am pretty happy with it.

Regards
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Follow Up By: Danielle T - Wednesday, Aug 01, 2007 at 20:11

Wednesday, Aug 01, 2007 at 20:11
Thanks Russ, It certainly seems the Garmin quest needs serious looking at!
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Follow Up By: Skippy In The GU - Thursday, Aug 02, 2007 at 08:16

Thursday, Aug 02, 2007 at 08:16
Hi Danielle T,

one bad point on the Quest is it has a small screen. As long as hubby has good eye sight he won't see the screen very well. I've got the GPS V and I can't see the screen anymore and I wear coke bottle glasses too.
I've also got the old Streetpilot 111 which is great

For really good gps I'd buy the Map 276C, there are a couple of free maps you can download from the web. I know it's a couple more yellow notes and if brought from Uncle Sam it's cheaper

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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Thursday, Aug 02, 2007 at 08:56

Thursday, Aug 02, 2007 at 08:56
After reading thru some of Daniels replies I think 276c would be best also.

A little dear , although if you don't mind the issues you can land them for around $600 currently (1/2 price effectivily, no warranty and no base map which is not an issue) . But you need special Garmin memory card of 128mb or greater, another $75 imported $150 local.

Use City navigator software for most things ($249 aust - but it can be downloaded into 2 gps'es, good if you have a friend , and free Shonky or T4a for country.

In practise though both City navigator and or Shonky/T4A (tracks for australia)
have weaknesses in coverage and the ability to call up either mapset is very handy.

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