Powerhouse question
Submitted: Sunday, Aug 05, 2007 at 16:55
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Ron173
Where are all the powerhouse experts?
Was out most of the weekend and had the powerhouse as means of cooking.
I noticed that it kept catching light around the end of the generator pipe, where it enters the hole, tried turning it down and blowing it out, but it kept re-lighting.
It wasnt a huge drama but I'm wondering why it was doing it?
too much pressure?
Its not that old and has only been run on coleman fuel.
any info appreciated.
Rgds
Ron
Reply By: Brew34.5(SA) - Sunday, Aug 05, 2007 at 19:22
Sunday, Aug 05, 2007 at 19:22
HI Ron. I have never had this happen before. Did you have a spillage? The biggest problem i have had is the yellow flame which only requires a switch off and wait 60 seconds before re-ignition. I'll never go back to gas again.
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Sunday, Aug 05, 2007 at 19:25
Sunday, Aug 05, 2007 at 19:25
Hi Brew
>I'll never go back to gas again.
Why?
I have a Coleman gas stove and have been wondering about the dual fuel but other than wanting a new toy find it hard to justify?
Mike Harding
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Follow Up By: Pajman Pete (SA) - Monday, Aug 06, 2007 at 07:48
Monday, Aug 06, 2007 at 07:48
"but other than wanting a new toy "
What other reason is neaded? :o)
Pete
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Reply By: Ron173 - Sunday, Aug 05, 2007 at 20:28
Sunday, Aug 05, 2007 at 20:28
No no spillage, and just a small flame which just whispers around
the entrance where the end of generator tube enters.
Mike I went coleman to get rid of 9kg cylinders, and its great, works in minus temps without hugging your bottle, and even on coleman fuel very cheap all up.
I run the lantern too, as most do, super
bright, last night would have run on full brilliance for a BIG
camp, from about 6pm till about 11pm, and used approx half a litre, nothing really.
I hear what your saying, but not really another toy to me, just a great move from gas, and when it runs out, I FILL IT MYSELF, works for me.
Ron
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Follow Up By: Tony MD - Sunday, Aug 05, 2007 at 22:05
Sunday, Aug 05, 2007 at 22:05
Ron, I use a Power house stove, light & single burner. Same spare parts such as pump and filler cap fits all. No need for separate gas bottles. I use a 3 litre fuel container that I can top up & only pay for what is required. I always use unleaded & have done so for over 10 years now. The stove is on its second generator & this sounds like the problem mentioned in this thread.
As an interesting aside, the mantle in my light (which is stored in a Coleman plastic storage box with a Coleman glass wrap around protector) survived nearly a full year last year, with trips into the mountains, across the Simpson then back up to around
Licola.
Good products, works for me too!
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Reply By: Jeeps - Sunday, Aug 05, 2007 at 21:05
Sunday, Aug 05, 2007 at 21:05
That's the generator causing a problem.
Mine does it occasionally.
Try using a set of vce grips on the generator and undo it, give it and the pin a wash with petrol and put it all back together, there may be carbon build up. Also, make sure that the tap is fixed on tightly too. If no luck, you may need to get a new generator under warranty or buy one ($15).
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Follow Up By: Ron173 - Monday, Aug 06, 2007 at 07:31
Monday, Aug 06, 2007 at 07:31
Thanks,
sounds sensible, will strip it and clean it and see how it goes.
Rgds
Ron
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Reply By: BorisK - Sunday, Aug 05, 2007 at 21:13
Sunday, Aug 05, 2007 at 21:13
I assume you're refering to the coleman dual fuel stove. On
Lake Mountain on my trip a few days ago and the first time I used it after a messy refill with coleman fuel, I used it to
cook up some snags and steaks for lunch and the whole thing caught on fire. It was a yellow/
orange flame and I just assumed it was the left over residue from the spill when filling up. It lit up about a foot high from the surface of the stove three days after filling it so I assumed the fuel spill left an oily residue on the stove which burned off after a minute. I was a bit worried about it at the time and thought I might have to quickly evacuate the family. I'll be more carefull refilling next time or maybe just wash it thoroughly.
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Follow Up By: OnYaBike (Cairns, QLD) - Sunday, Aug 05, 2007 at 23:39
Sunday, Aug 05, 2007 at 23:39
Does dual fuel mean Coleman fuel vs unleaded or is the other fuel kerosene? If so, do you need to use a generator with different sized hole for kerosene?
I've used kero pressure lights for years. My Coleman lamp is 30 years old and still going strong although the top "lid" is fairly rusty. My old Aladdin lamp was stolen - pity, they had a brass base.
Are the stoves run on the same principle as pressure lamps?
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Follow Up By: BorisK - Monday, Aug 06, 2007 at 07:58
Monday, Aug 06, 2007 at 07:58
Gday, I don't know enough about this really. I've only had my unit less than a month. Bought it after reading about it on here because I couldn't get a good flame from the butane can stove when its very cold. I do believe that dual fuel means coleman/unleaded fuel because when I bought it at Rays the guy said only use those fuels and if using unleaded all the time fill with coleman fuel every fifth time to clean the jets. Only just had a look at the instructions booklet now to see what a generator is - its the thin tube running through the flame.
Cheers
Boris
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Follow Up By: OnYaBike (Cairns, QLD) - Monday, Aug 06, 2007 at 08:40
Monday, Aug 06, 2007 at 08:40
I only asked really because I wondered about the dual fuel pressure lamps, whether they were petrol/kero or whether you had to choose petrol or kero before you bought. Someone will know.
I had a fair bit to do with kero lamps when I first went to teach in
Cape York and there was no electricity, so I soon learnt to replace generators, trim kero fridge wicks etc
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Follow Up By: Jeeps - Monday, Aug 06, 2007 at 10:29
Monday, Aug 06, 2007 at 10:29
BorisK, the long tube (generator) goes through the flame with the purpose of allowing the flame to heat up the generator thus vaporising the fuel and making it burn better giving a nice blue flame. This is why the first few minutes there is always a big, scarey yellow flame until that big scarey yellow flame heats up the generator. Once at operating temp, the flame should start to become blue and shorter and more controllable. It usually takes 1-2 minutes or longer in colder weather.
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Follow Up By: BorisK - Monday, Aug 06, 2007 at 15:42
Monday, Aug 06, 2007 at 15:42
Gday Jeep, I see what you are describing when I use the single burner at work they're a great unit but at Lake Mountaian the whole thing including the base caught on fire even though I turned it off and I thought the stickers on the base would burn off but they didn't.
Cheers
Boris
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Reply By: Jeeps - Sunday, Aug 05, 2007 at 23:28
Sunday, Aug 05, 2007 at 23:28
The big flame is normal until the generator heats up (about 1-2 minutes). The trick is to light it, stand back and let it crank for a few minutes on high and re-pump it. Once you've got a blue flame it's at operating temp. It'll continue to work fine after that until you remove the generator/
tank.
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Reply By: Ron173 - Monday, Aug 06, 2007 at 07:33
Monday, Aug 06, 2007 at 07:33
Thanks for replies,
sounds like its just the generator needing a clean, if it needs replacing it will be warranty but local dealer is good on stuff like that.
Will strip it tonight and hopefully find it dirty.
Rgds
Ron
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Follow Up By: Jeeps - Monday, Aug 06, 2007 at 10:31
Monday, Aug 06, 2007 at 10:31
My stove was great the first time i used it but after that it always had that leak. Once i pulled it all apart and then tightened it all together again it works much better :)
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Reply By: Mr Fawlty - Monday, Aug 06, 2007 at 10:49
Monday, Aug 06, 2007 at 10:49
I honestly thought you were talking a coal fired power house so I don't have a clue what you are on about so I'll leave this to other experts more expert than me to answer.....
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Reply By: Ron173 - Tuesday, Aug 07, 2007 at 08:23
Tuesday, Aug 07, 2007 at 08:23
Oh dear....... not good!!!
Took it all apart last night, removed brass bit from end of generator, looked ok no carbon but blew out with air anyway.
Also took valve off, found some crud on threads, cleaned, reassembled and did up tight all round.
lit stove and it had the small flame still there for a bit at end of generator, then it died off, poss due to expansion of threads, all looked ok, then when I switched it off it didnt stop like normal
Eventually it went out, put it down to spillage or something, left in shed.
Came out this morning to find whole back of stove full of fuel, so its leaking.
Will a new generator cure this? or is it something to do with valve, or can i rebuild it again, is there a secret to putting valve in, eg install in opened or closed position ??
Any help appreciated muchly
Ron
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Reply By: Ron173 - Tuesday, Aug 07, 2007 at 08:32
Tuesday, Aug 07, 2007 at 08:32
Oh dear....... not good!!!
Took it all apart last night, removed brass bit from end of generator, looked ok no carbon but blew out with air anyway.
Also took valve off, found some crud on threads, cleaned, reassembled and did up tight all round.
lit stove and it had the small flame still there for a bit at end of generator, then it died off, poss due to expansion of threads, all looked ok, then when I switched it off it didnt stop like normal
Eventually it went out, put it down to spillage or something, left in shed.
Came out this morning to find whole back of stove full of fuel, so its leaking.
Will a new generator cure this? or is it something to do with valve, or can i rebuild it again, is there a secret to putting valve in, eg install in opened or closed position ??
Any help appreciated muchly
Ron
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Reply By: Tony MD - Tuesday, Aug 07, 2007 at 16:15
Tuesday, Aug 07, 2007 at 16:15
If it is under warranty, then take it back. You could try replacing the generator. At under $20.00, a replacement rather than a clean is the go. Sounds like the main valve is not fully shutting off. With my stove, it is normal for the burner to stay alight for a short time once the valve is turned off. This would the the fuel already vapourized inside the generator. I have never had a leakage like you have described
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Reply By: Ron173 - Tuesday, Aug 07, 2007 at 19:52
Tuesday, Aug 07, 2007 at 19:52
UPDATE.
yeah should have taken back but needed continuity in my gear without the 'we will need to see what Coleman say BS'
I replaced the generator, and it was better, no fuel leaks but wouldnt shut off properly.
So in end I stripped valve, and lapped it with some Mguires scratchx, which is very fine for removing scratches and did a fine valve lapping job, all ok now.
Just another case of not being able to buy a decent quality product nowadays without having to rebuild it the way it should have been done originally, instead it was thrown together for max profit as quick as possible.
Anyway, all working ok again now, thanks for all replies.
Ron
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