Bio or fossil diesel

Submitted: Monday, Aug 06, 2007 at 13:32
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This topic has had endless discussions but I would like to know if any diesel mechanics or others agree with a local well known diesel mechanic in melbourne, many here would have heard of this company. I have been using SAFF 100BD for a short while and find it much cleaner, good acceleration and the engine ticks a little smoother but the local opinion is that it ruins pumps and injectors and tells everyone not to use it. So does anyone here know if any of these claims are true. The company also has pumps ripped to bits showing the BD problems of accelerated wear. I would really like to go one way or the other, BD costs 2c a L less but I use more, I am happy to use it for the environmental cause but if its going to cost me mega $$ for rebuilds then its hard to justify.
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Reply By: traveller2 - Monday, Aug 06, 2007 at 15:18

Monday, Aug 06, 2007 at 15:18
If the bio is from a reputable source and of good quality without any 'additives' then it should be ok.
Given that some oil companies run biodiesel plants so that they can add bio to their product to replace the lubricity lost by the removal of sulphur the increased wear might be a furphy.
I have noted the same as you with good B100 the engine runs smoother, runs cooler and is cleaner exhaust wise with very slight loss of power and for me no change in consumption.
But I have run bio from several Volume Plus outlets and it is of poor quality, causes very high EGT's, big loss of power and increased consumption. After these experiences I will never buy VP diesel again.
I would suspect that the worn pumps being displayed are after bio has been used and it has removed all the dino varnish and gunk which has increased tolerances and caused problems with the pump, therefore the bio is the problem, not!!
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Follow Up By: F4Phantom - Monday, Aug 06, 2007 at 15:31

Monday, Aug 06, 2007 at 15:31
I have not heard of VP diesel. I only have access to SAFF which is south Austraian farmers fuel. They are expanding into vic. I would like to know if they have good quality stuff. They also sell E10 made from their crops.

www.farmersfuel.com.au/

they also guarantee that their crops soak up all your cars emissions either diesel or petrol so if you buy their fuel it is basicly a zero emission car. All good stuff but the engine killing technology their diesel has been claimed against them from a reputable diesel company does worry me.

I use a bit more fuel but get more power too, i would take a power loss to get better economy.
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Follow Up By: F4Phantom - Monday, Aug 06, 2007 at 15:33

Monday, Aug 06, 2007 at 15:33
"SAFF has developed a unique system by which we guarantee that our pure biodesel is 100% carbon neutral. We achieve this through the planting of native mallee trees, which soak up carbon dioxide gases as they grown, acting as a "carbon sink". The cost of this treen-planting is included as a levy in the price of Biodiesel."
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Follow Up By: Andrew from Vivid Adventures - Monday, Aug 06, 2007 at 17:10

Monday, Aug 06, 2007 at 17:10
SAFF's unique system has nothing to do with the biodiesel.

It is just the investment in plantations that soack up carbon dixide.

Cheers
Andrew.
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Follow Up By: F4Phantom - Monday, Aug 06, 2007 at 17:28

Monday, Aug 06, 2007 at 17:28
Yeah I get mine from boronia too, but the reason for this info was just to show that when you use the stuff its CO2 neutral like I mentioned. Also to clear up what I wrote as I thought it was from the growing of the crops that soaked up the carbon, obviously this is not enough.
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Follow Up By: Andrew from Vivid Adventures - Monday, Aug 06, 2007 at 17:45

Monday, Aug 06, 2007 at 17:45
No probs F4... the growing of crops requires you to run a tractor producing CO2, as does the power required to run the crusher and reactor plants to produce it.

They are planting trees to soak up that much CO2 thus making it carbon neutral...
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Follow Up By: ron44 - Tuesday, Aug 07, 2007 at 20:35

Tuesday, Aug 07, 2007 at 20:35
why don't you look at diesel/gas reduces carbon increases power also improves fuel economy also the federal goverment gives you back $2000 also i hear some states give you $1000
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Reply By: jeffwa - Monday, Aug 06, 2007 at 16:48

Monday, Aug 06, 2007 at 16:48
I havn't run B100 since late last year as I moved and cannot get it now. I still run B20 from Gull however. My car still runs better today than it did before I started using Biodisel. So far I've done at least 50,000kms running either B100 or B20 and it blows no smoke while driving and runs as good as gold. Before biodisel it was a typcial smokey surf, now you'd never even know it was a diesel except for a puff of smoke when it starts. I can only speak from my experience but mine has been nothing but positive. I didn't even need to replace my fuel filter the whole time I was using it.
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Reply By: Andrew from Vivid Adventures - Monday, Aug 06, 2007 at 17:21

Monday, Aug 06, 2007 at 17:21
I have found most diesel mechanics know nothing about Biodiesel except the war stories from people who have had bad biodiesel - from a backyard operator mostly.

Ask them, and they will also have lots of other war stories from people who had bad dino diesel but somehow think that is irrelevant.

There is no way of attributing pump issues to Biodiesel unless one takes a brand new diesel pump and runs it that way.

I have been running it mostly - whenever I can, for more than 130k's and know that my 1HZ runs smoother, cleaner and quieter than it used to - even when forced to run dino diesel. Starts quicker too.

I buy fuel from SAFF and know that you can expect them to stand behind their product if there is clarity that it caused a problem other than cleaning out the sediments in your system from years of dino diesel use.

I buy it from SAFF Boronia when in Melbourne and find them to be great guys (it is independently owned).

Cheers,
Andrew.
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Reply By: Ozboc - Monday, Aug 06, 2007 at 19:08

Monday, Aug 06, 2007 at 19:08
I make my own biodiesel - summer time i run it at 100% bio -- colder months maybe 50/50 (dino/bio)

I know what goes into my bio - and i know how well i 'wash' the diesel so i have not had any issues

In general - you run cleaner , motor runs smoother and quieter - MOST new parts fitters will tell you that bio is something to avoid , and thats based on hearsay and not from personal experience

I believe that Rudolf diesel first used coal injection + compressed air to run his prototype motor - later on then used coconut oils to run his motors and not this wonderfully refined stuff at the pumps today-

I have been running bio in my nissan patrol now for over a year - and have had no issue at all ...... but as i mentioned earlier in the post , i make my own so i know what has happened in the production process and i know i have washed out excessive caustic / methanol from the BD

Boc
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