What to do? Stick with the devil I know or the one I dont?

Submitted: Wednesday, Aug 08, 2007 at 21:40

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Matt(WA)

Hi All,
Have a small Dilemma. I have a 1997 80 series with a 1hz on Diesel Gas and the following bits:
4.2 Diesel
O/L Winch bar, Scrubs, Steps and Twin rear carrier
Safari Snorkel
Cooper ST 285 75 16's x 6 on Black Steel Rims
Ironman H/D Foamcell Shocks and Springs
Dual Battery Setup
Nite Stalker Spread and Spot
Milford Barrier
Treck Tech Rear storage drawers
Tabor 9000lb Winch
Extendable Camp Light Pole out back
Haymen Reese H/D tow Kit
EvaKool 60lt Fridge
Home made fridge slide to suit
GME 3400 UHF
Diesel Gas
172,000km's

I want to turbo and diff lock my car(approx $10K with intercooler)
I can get this 80 series that is seven years older but with the stock 1hdt engine and factory diff locks and all the good gear. It has only done 20,000 km's more than mine. The only drama I can see is that it is an import(3.5 years ago)

See linkhttp://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=250151187789&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=015

1990 80 Series Toyota Landcruiser VX LTD 4wd(Sahara)
auto,
4.2 turbo diesel,
197,000kms,
black,
35" BF GoodRich tyres
16" alloy wheels,
2" and 4" lift kit,
rear wheel carrier,
factory winch,
velour trim,
Kenwood cd player,
Kenwood 10 cd stacker,
8 speakers and subwoofer,
center console fridge/ice maker,
cruise control,
full diff locks (controlled in cabin),
climate control,
power steering,
electric windows,
electric mirrors,
sunroof,
dual battery's,
high flow exhaust,
window tint,
side steps,
Toyota floor mats

The landcruiser is in very good condition. There are a couple of small scratches/scuff marks but you have to look close to see them. Feel free to ask anymore questions. Im happy to assist with interstate transport but the buyer must cover all costs.

I would change a few things over like my twin rear carrier and tyres, but all in all what do you think. Is it worth going back seven years, but knowing that you are getting a factory turbo and diff locks?

I would get it totally checked out first by my mechanic and if I could get it for around $22k I could just about change over with only loosing a grand or two(but have an auto and diff locks) when selling mine.

Please as much comments/thoughts as you can.

Thanks everyone

Matt

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Reply By: Member - Jiarna (NT) - Wednesday, Aug 08, 2007 at 21:57

Wednesday, Aug 08, 2007 at 21:57

I'd say the answer lies in the mechanicals. Have both vehicles been serviced at the correct intervals (and I mean serviced, not just had the book stamped!)? Apparently the aftermarket turbo added to a 1HZ yields more power and torque than the factory turboed 1HDT, but you need an engine in good shape to add a turbo. Your engine at 172,000 km should have plenty of life left in it, provided the servicing has been done.

The other thing to remember is that the extra 7 years of age means that everything on the second vehicle is older, and age does not improve reliability.

Cheers
John

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Reply By: Member - Duncan W (WA) - Wednesday, Aug 08, 2007 at 22:25

Wednesday, Aug 08, 2007 at 22:25

Jeese Matt you get the car a bit wet and you want to sell it. LOL.
You've spent a small fortune is the change over going to be worth it? In the end when you sell it it will be 7 years older stil than your current vehicle. The lockers that you put in will not cost 10G's. You sure of the cost you're quoting as it sounds very high?

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Follow Up By: Member - Duncan W (WA) - Wednesday, Aug 08, 2007 at 22:28

Wednesday, Aug 08, 2007 at 22:28

On second thoughts you keep yours and I buy this one for my wife. He He See needs to sell her commode and we're looking for a float puller. LOL

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Reply By: Matt(WA) - Wednesday, Aug 08, 2007 at 22:46

Wednesday, Aug 08, 2007 at 22:46

Hi Dunc,
I want to turbo mine, The best quote's so far have been around $6500-$7000(Safari kit, intercooler, valve clearances done, injector pump timing done, Dynotuned with before and after results and Warranty) and to stick air lockers front and rear, $3500. On the plus of this car is that it has a stock turbo diesel and a auto(which could help a bit with my crappy back!) and stock diff lockers. I could change the majority of the good stuff over too the new rig and still get a decent price for mine. Not real sure at the moment. Going to speak to a couple of importers tomorrow too se if they recon the price is right.
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Follow Up By: Rossco td105 - Wednesday, Aug 08, 2007 at 23:56

Wednesday, Aug 08, 2007 at 23:56

G'day Matt,

I guess you have to consider all the electrics in the other car as well. Does the VX have all the bells and whistles? For an older car this may also be a problem. On the up side a lot of the goodies you already have will fit the other one.

I know mine is putting out more power at the wheels than a factory HD-T, but the factory job would be considered by a few to be more reliable. I guess the gearbox in the other vehicle would also be the heavier duty version?

You won't believe the difference all the mods you have mentioned will make to your car. You already have it, don't have to swap things around, don't have to pay stamp duty again...

Decisions...

Ross.

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Reply By: Member - Bruce and Anne - Thursday, Aug 09, 2007 at 07:04

Thursday, Aug 09, 2007 at 07:04

Hi Matt, We have two imported Isuzu's and as far a build quality goes they are a mile ahead of the Holden's (Isuzu's) they sell here. So I don't see any difference with the Toyota's as well.
One other thing to look out for is it a 12 volt or 24 volt system on the import, as some of the Nissan's were 24 volt.
Cheers Bruce.

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Follow Up By: Gerhardp1 - Thursday, Aug 09, 2007 at 10:45

Thursday, Aug 09, 2007 at 10:45

I have a 1998 Monterey, and the build quality is identical to the Japanese version - that's because it was built in Japan.

Your derogatory comment about build quality of Holden Isuzus doesn't make any sense.

If you're referring to Rodeos, they aren't built here either.

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Follow Up By: Member - Bruce and Anne - Thursday, Aug 09, 2007 at 11:34

Thursday, Aug 09, 2007 at 11:34

Keep your shirt on....... but what I should have said was these vehicles are built for the Japs and not for export so this fellow probably end up with a better vehicle. And I did not say they were built here, the Rodeo is built in Thailand.

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Reply By: Member - Kiwi Kia - Thursday, Aug 09, 2007 at 07:08

Thursday, Aug 09, 2007 at 07:08

I know that there will be people out there who will say that 'they had done it and not had a problem'....BUT, I would never fit an after market turbo to a vehicle. The differences to a factory fit turboed engine can be huge. More metal in some areas, different pistons etc. etc.. the list goes on and on.

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Reply By: Member - BUNDY BOY (WA) - Thursday, Aug 09, 2007 at 07:33

Thursday, Aug 09, 2007 at 07:33

hay matt....sounds all round like a sweet deal .....as we discussed..over all with the things you want to do to yours as it stands....this may be a better option with most already done......but there's always the problems you get with these sorts of vehicles...and getting new ones so y not save yourself any heart ache ..buy a NISSAN.instead.....::))))))))))..no more problems..and you wont need water wings.lol
cheers..Bundy

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Reply By: gen3rules - Thursday, Aug 09, 2007 at 14:08

Thursday, Aug 09, 2007 at 14:08

early factory turbo diesels had a big question mark over reliability even more so than a turbo 1hz. would not touch it with a 40 foot barge pole. Also being an autospark and working on imports i would not even consider buying one of these they are just huge headaches.

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Follow Up By: 93 Navara - Thursday, Aug 09, 2007 at 14:28

Thursday, Aug 09, 2007 at 14:28

Besides bearing issue, what problems gen3rules? I know of plenty that have big kms.

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Follow Up By: gen3rules - Friday, Aug 10, 2007 at 13:50

Friday, Aug 10, 2007 at 13:50

exactly the bearing issue. heads can also be an issue. i too know of high k ones. but i know of a fair few with full rebuilds at 100k

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Follow Up By: Axel [ the real one ] - Friday, Aug 10, 2007 at 15:15

Friday, Aug 10, 2007 at 15:15

Methinks your getting your brands mixed up gen3 , Tojo bearings = 1 bad batch fitted only randomly in 90 thru to sep 92 , whereas missin nissan doing heads in the 1st and 2nd gen of 3lt patrols due to oil qty.

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Reply By: Adamjapan - Thursday, Aug 09, 2007 at 14:39

Thursday, Aug 09, 2007 at 14:39

Hi, I am in Japan at the moment and the black cruisers that leave Japan are the ones that arnt resellable, they are a Yankee car (young guy showing off car) they do take care of their cars and when the redgo is due the car has to be inspected every time, even at resell.
But the main thing is nothing would have been serviced or changed for a long time.
I bought my 80 and had to do the works, next the big end bearings, in japan if you say big end bearing they say WAKANANAI (i dont know??) and they will change the subject to maybe changing the oil will fix it, Japanese people dont know how to fix cars, if it is not their job then they shouldnt know, thats somebody elses job..
back on topic, One good point is that the car hasnt had a hard life, it just been driven on the roads at low speeds.
Mine is a 92 and it has only done 130000km and i saw a few with much less..
but i think better the devil you know.

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