Gas cylinder to gas cylinder hose – where to buy?

I didn't realise the knowledge base for this operation was complex Ian - a young lad did exactly this activity for me a week ago at my local garage - I don't think he was old enough to shave.

Being an electronics engineer I don't have a lot in the way of high pressure hose fittings kicking around so I'd rather buy a ready made one.

Mike Harding

Sorry Mike,

Didn't mean to cause offence but some of your posts are somewhat 'robust' at times.

Yes, I share you concerns about the wisdom of allowing people, young & older, with little understanding of the risks, to decant LPG at servos. My point was, not wanting to contribute to the problem of "a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing", was that unless you understand the physics of decanting, it can cause problems and unnecessary danger.

I'm sure you are aware that the large decanting bottles at servos, etc. draw LIQUID from the bottle of the bottle. To do a similar transfer from a 'normal' LPG bottle, it must be inverted and preferable above the 'receiving' bottle. Needless to say, this is NOT recommended practice. If you try to transfer between two 'normal' bottles in the upright position, you will just equalise the pressure between them, not actually transfer much liquid.

I hope you will accept my posts in the spirit in which they were intended. Please PM me if you'd like to discuss out of the public forum.

Hi Ian

Nah, no offence taken your posts, clearly, place you into the “Nice Guy” category :)

I get a bit grumpy with some of the posts to this forum from people who want to “save us from ourselves”. It often seems that one cannot ask a question on this forum which does not fall into the full and politically correct sphere of the suburban Australian pseudo bush man. They seem to think that almost any degree of risk is intrinsically wrong, any deviation from rules or conflict with “The Authorities” is akin to the end of civilised society – God protect me from them! Had they been in charge 200 years ago we’d _still_ be wondering if there really was an inland sea! :)

btw – I am familiar with the process for filling bottles (thanks for going over it) and there are two reasons I wish to do it: 1-my local milk bar (who usually supply my LPG) are getting seriously expensive. 2-My 4kg bottle is now 18 months out of date and the usual suppliers won’t fill it :)

Mike Harding

Geez Mike, haven't I told you before about the dangers of out of date bottles, wake up old bean :)

Mike and Ian, I seriously think you 2 guys need to,

"Breath a Bit Harder"! or

"Harden the bleep Up"!

2-My 4kg bottle is now 18 months out of date and the usual suppliers won’t fill it :)

Ian, I wonder why????

Go Figure????

Oh Red Frog - I love it when you get all manly!

Paul: I don't know, do you think there is something wrong with a gas bottle 18 months out of date? A friend of mine's father has one which is over 20 years out of date... should I suggest he replace it?

Mike Harding

I wrapped my out of date bottle with a layer of cotton wool so that should protect my hand from the rust.

Yes Mike,

Imagine your Daughter or Son or Grand Daughter etc, was using your out of date cylinder, and "BOOM" because a friend of your's Father Gambled on a 20 year out of date bottle!

Easier to replace bottle, than replace a Loved one!

No, no, no Paul _my_ cylinder is only 18 months out of date - that should be OK shouldn't it? It's my friend's father's cylinder which is 20 years (plus!) old.

Mike Harding

Ok Mike,

Imagine your Daughter or Son or Grand Daughter etc, was using your 18 months out of date bottle, (not your friend's father's cylinder which is 20 years (plus!) old.)

And "BOOM"

Isnt there a reason for use by dates, we not talking about a pack of, "out of date prunes"

Emmmmm... good point Paul....

On the other hand... what about if I were to loan my out of date cylinder to someone I didn't like and it went "BOOM"? I can see a positive advantage in that... can't you?

Mike Harding

Well, not if you were to lend it to me Mike, otherwise, a very positive advantage!

I would loan it to my Manager.....

I trust you would have more sense than to borrow it Paul!?

otoh I am a little confused by your last post... are you suggesting it is a "good thing" to loan gas cylinders which may go "BOOM" to unsuspecting individuals?

Mike Harding

otah, i am a little confused by the word "otah",

but, yes, I can see a positive advantage in that, cant you, a real good thing if its someone you dont like.

otoh Paul, otoh - there is no 'a' in it - internet shorthand for "on the other hand".

Paul; I am a little concerned about your social approach here: it appears you are condoning irresponsible behaviour in regard to camping equipment and the safety aspects of same. I trust you would not condone, for example, the use of aviation fuel in Coleman dual fuel stoves (as some have done before on this forum). Whilst I realise such products result in more efficient cooking there is an inherent danger, which, I am sure will be only too obvious to you Paul?

To put it in a nutshell; may I count on your rejection of such practices?

Mike Harding

Thanks for pointing out the misplaced letter Mike, I did notice my mistake twice.

it appears you are condoning irresponsible behaviour in regard to camping equipment and the safety aspects of same.

And you are not?

Certainly not Paul!

Indeed it was you who suggested attempting some kind of physical attack upon your manager with an out of date gas cylinder!

Frankly Paul I find such aggressive behaviour disturbing and I trust we'll hear no more of it on this forum!

Mike Harding

Mike, breath harder old man,

aggressive behaviour would be using an out of date cylinder, yes?
Stop being an Arsch, and get off the Red!

is there something wrong with a gas bottle 18 months out of date?
Mike, I find that disturbing...

Such suggested aggresive behaviour cannot be condoned, sorry guys but I have to distance myself from this thread.

I agree Red Frog! Thank goodness for some sanity - I'm sorry Paul but we must leave you to your own, unusual, perspective on life.

Mike Harding

Sounds like regulations to save an engineer from himself........ For goodness sake Mike, get the bottle restamped.

I would do John but I'm concerned that when they stamp the new date into it (AFTER the test) the stamping process will weaken the bottle and I wouldn't want it to go "BOOM"!

Mike,

There are Medications out there that can help with what you are going through.

What? Making fun of self righteous people? Nah - for me it's a terminal condition :)

Paul (ACT)

When you are ordering Mr Hardings medication/s could you please order 2 x extra dosage for John (R) and Roachie.

Thanks in advance

Hahahahaha, Might get myself a double dosage as well!

Add Des Lexic to the list.

If you don't already know why just have a look at his very very recent thread.

Make his a triple dose. (ROFLMAO)

Hi Lucy,

I just read Des Lecic's thread, and im confused, why was there no Teflon used?

You can but Female to Female (note Capitals) Teflon Tape, everything would of been fine.

MIKE!,

SEE! I told you I thought this thread was a trap! My In-box as been indundated with Follow-ups all bl**dy day! And, even though I DIDN'T recommend such universe-threatening practices, I seem to have been tarred with the same brush as your good "anti-pro-dis-establishmentarianist" self!

"2-My 4kg bottle is now 18 months out of date and the usual suppliers won’t fill it : Ian, I wonder why????"

Now, pray tell me how the hell I got lumbered with that!

BTW, my 4.5kg bottle is definitely not 18 months out of date - it's just that my calender is running about 2 years fast ...

Ian

"Lovely Day"!

I'm sure I don't know _what_ you mean Ian :)

And I thought that it was illegal to do that ?!?!? that might explain why you cant buy those hoses made up.
The big refill bottles work a bit different too from your standard gas bottle I believe.

Reiner

I have been told that it is not legal to make them ! Asked a company (not far from Ray's at Geelong) that had the tools to swage a gas fitting onto a tube and they refused.

Hi Shaker

9kg to 4kg and 1.5kg.

Mike, BOC Gases have quite a few fittings & so do Bunnings.
You realise that you will have to turn the 9kg bottle upside down?

Thanks Ian - I'll check Kookaburra. I already have the required adapter for the 9kg

Thanks Ed - hadn't thought of Mitre 10 - I'll check them out tomorrow.

Mike ,once you have jury rigged your hose , "chill " the smaller of the 2 bottles and invert the larger of the 2 when filling , makes for a full transfer ,,,,,,,, is the recommended way for refilling the coleman canisters so would expect the same for a 2 kg.

When Bucky was over here visiting us earlier this year, we ended up in our local camping shop to buy some tent pegs.

WHOA.......What do you reckon I saw in the gas fittings area..... A length of hose, with a professional type fitting on one end with a squeeze trigger (same as you see at the filling stations) and on the other end was a standard 3/4" male fitting. The placcy bag included 2 or 3 other brass fittings for attaching to different size gas bottles.

My 45kg cylinder is nearly empty and when I replace it I'll be getting a "blue top" which is what you need for decanting (same price as a standard 45kg refill). Too easy.

You do need a MacCoupler for doing Coleman disposable bottles.
I think Mike is trying to fill Companion bottles.

Thanks Shaker - I thought that gizmo was a multi-purpose gas transferer.
Do you happen to know whether those baby Coleman bottles can be filled from any other small cylinder eg 4.5kg?

Sorry, but I'm not sure, I would assume that if it had the same thread as a 9kg it would work.

Moose , Macoupler is for the Coleman disposables and as shaker says for the same threads as a 9kg , you can refill from any size bottle as long as it does not have a Primus fitting , the disposable must be fully empty and chilled down in a fridge or freezer for 10 odd min to get a full transfer of 800grm ,you can transfer in reverse if your disposable is full and your 4-4.5-9 kg empty if you wish to do so by not chilling the disposable.