Battery set up for an Elec Winch

Submitted: Saturday, Aug 25, 2007 at 14:05
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Ok another battery question related to 12v. The 100 Series that I'm hoping to get at auction has a Warn XD 9000 (or 9500) installed but it only has one battery (an N70).
I think that how it is wired is wrong (please correct me if I'm wrong) as they have the earth running to the body then a smaller gauge wire to the Neg terminal on the battery. Shouldn't it (the winch) be earthed straight to the battery??

Should I get a second battery installed in parallel to assist in the running of the winch??
Please Note I have not had an Elec Winch before!!

I intend to get another isolated battery for the fridge and camping elecrics (probably a Flyer from Derek) so I don't need info about whether I need an isolator.

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Reply By: Crackles - Saturday, Aug 25, 2007 at 15:06

Saturday, Aug 25, 2007 at 15:06
Kev you are correct that both the positive & negative wires should be direct off the battery, ideally 35mm cable & kept as short as possible.
For casual winching it's OK to use just the starting battery with the engine running. Many of our work vehicles are wired the same & it causes very few if any problems. If you do however require the winch for extended multiple pulls then a high capacity 2nd battery may be good value. This would allow you to winch for extended periods & not risk just one going flat should you stall the engine & of course gives you the option of runing a car fridge & 12 volt lights for a few days as well. Cheers Craig.........
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Follow Up By: Kev M (QLD Bound) - Saturday, Aug 25, 2007 at 15:40

Saturday, Aug 25, 2007 at 15:40
Thanks Craig,

I assume that having the batteries in parallel then they should be the same capacity and if possible age??

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Follow Up By: Crackles - Saturday, Aug 25, 2007 at 16:49

Saturday, Aug 25, 2007 at 16:49
A few different thoughts going around on duel batteries with a winch Kev.
1. Fit 2 batteries joined togther in parallel. Winch only takes half the power from each minimising deep discharge in either. Ideally of the same age, size & construction to maximise life. Down side is you need to stop yourself before you flatten both with no chance of restarting.
2. Isolate 2 batteries & run winch off the start. Starting batteries are more suited to the high load/quick recharge required by a winch. 2nd battery is available to run the fridge & a big key switch can be used as a backup for starting.
3. Isolate 2 batteries & run winch off auxillary. A large special purpose battery can be used to run the winch & other assesories leaving the starting battery untouched.
With some duel battery isolators you need too allow for the high power draw between the two while the engine is running which could be as much as 120 amps per battery. (Often they are just wired together via the isolator with 12mm cable or through a 50 amp bypass switch)
Some of the fancier voltage sensing isolators (of which I've had little experience) can allow for different size or types of battaries.
Not a huge fan of many of the isolating systems available having seen several fail from heat & vibration when they were needed most then causing premature battery failure. Instead I use system 1 with a low volt disconnect ($50) for the fridge which also has an alarm warning of low volts when winching.
Cheers Craig.................
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Follow Up By: Kev M (QLD Bound) - Saturday, Aug 25, 2007 at 17:16

Saturday, Aug 25, 2007 at 17:16
Thanks again Craig,

I will probably end up with option 1 as I'll have the 3rd battery in the flyer as back up if I stuff up big time :))

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Reply By: TD100 - Saturday, Aug 25, 2007 at 18:07

Saturday, Aug 25, 2007 at 18:07
Hi Kev,i have a 100s TD which has factory dual batteries in parrallel and have installed a third for the fridge and inverter,charge control is left to a pirahna 150A unit,the winch is directly connected to the 2 main batteries,i have done extensive touring,offroading and winching and never had battery or alternator issues.the batteries have never really gotten low enough(except when idle for months on end)to cause any dramas.i run 2 optimas as mains and 100ah gel as 3rd and has been in for 4.5 years trouble free,hope this assists cheers Paul
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Follow Up By: Kev M (QLD Bound) - Saturday, Aug 25, 2007 at 18:39

Saturday, Aug 25, 2007 at 18:39
Paul,

The one I'm after is a 4.2 NA Poverty pack Cruiser (easier to clean) LOL.

I suppose the engine bay has enough space for three batteries, I was just thinking of getting the 3rd battery in a battery box fixed under the tray when it gets the chop to make it a dual cab, then feed the necessary wiring into the custom canopy for power needs.

I think I will put in a second battery in parallel to help with winching and general starting/running applications

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Follow Up By: TD100 - Saturday, Aug 25, 2007 at 19:17

Saturday, Aug 25, 2007 at 19:17
the battery tray for battery 2 should fit from td to pov as well as tray for 3(piranha or equiv)in the same spots even leaving room for underbonnet compressor behind b#3,suprising how much can be jammed in there!!cheers Paul
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Follow Up By: Kev M (QLD Bound) - Saturday, Aug 25, 2007 at 19:34

Saturday, Aug 25, 2007 at 19:34
SWMBO wants to know about the kitchen sink LOL

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