OK Final one, GRR

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After leaving Halls Creek we headed for Kununurra, we called into the Bungles and had a look in there, also had a chopper flight over them, I must say I hung on tight considering there were no doors on that chopper and only a lap belt, I was hanging on with one hand and snapping photo's with the other (there is some strange looking photos on that camera). We camped there the night and then headed off to Kununurra where the LC had a quick service then off to the GRR. We went through to El Questro and stayed there a couple of days, a lovely spot, could have stayed there much longer. The GRR up to that point was fairly rough with some bad patches, however in comparison to the Tanami we weren't complaining. The first morning at El Q hubby noticed that the fridge was not as cold as it should be and on further check found that the deep cycle battery was not holding the amps, There were no dc batteries at El Q so hubby returned to Kununurra to replace the battery. After a visit to the Gorges and a drive up Saddleback Ridge we were off again. From the El Q turn off the GRR improved somewhat as it had not long been graded so the road was quite good, we cruised along quite nicely. There were many camp areas along the road but we chose to stay at Ellenbrae.
Drysdale was where we headed next, road was good thus far. I had a chat with Joanne at Drysdale before heading out on the Kalumbaru Rd, this road was very bad, made the Tanami look like a freeway, slowly but surely we got to the Mitchell Falls turnoff where we stopped for lunch. We bravely headed for the falls the road fast getting worse and living up to the reports that we had been getting along the way. We got past King Edward River and travelled extremely slowly for about another 20 odd Klms when the front right shockie went, we pulled off of the road (if it could be called that) and completed the necessary maintenance. As our friends had had their own problems we made a decision to turn back as at that point we considered the road was far too rough and not worth trip. We went back to King Edward River to camp, on inspection we found that the back right shockie was leaking and the welding had broken on the left back so they had to be exchanged (lucky we had enough spares). Next day we headed back to the GRR, it was nice to get back to Drysdale and on much better roads. The next camp was at Mt Barnett (Manning Gorge), this I thought was a lovely spot but maybe a little overpriced at the moment considering there was no power to the ablutions and when the water pump had stopped there was no water pressure in the showers however this will probably change when they get the power into the new ablution block, once again there were plenty of spots to free camp along the way. The next day was through to Derby and the end of GRR.
My thoughts on the Gibb was as it has recently been graded it was very easy to travel, the water was still over the road at Pentecost river and a number of smaller rivers had water in them as well.
We travelled 8888 Klms, ruined 3 new OME shockies, and had to replace one deep cycle battery. No flat tyres or any other problems with the Patrol.
The OME shockies had a two year warranty and as we were planning to drive up to Cape Leveque we tried to have the broken ones exchanged at the outlet in Derby, well that wasn't going to happen, the guy there seemed to come up with every excuse he could so that he didn't have to replace them, hubby eventually got them organised through the Broome dealer who was more than happy to exchange them for us so that we once again had spares.
We didn't end up driving up to CL, we flew up instead, we went on a seaplane, then went on the 'rubber duckie' (was the highlight of the trip for me!!) Then on the yacht for breakfast and then to CL and back to Broome.
We slowly headed back home and we are now getting ready to hook up the van and head back up to Shark Bay, leaving on Monday.
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Diesel used 1192.6 litres in the GU 4.2 Patrol
Tyres No flats on either vehicle


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Reply By: Willem - Thursday, Aug 30, 2007 at 08:06

Thursday, Aug 30, 2007 at 08:06
Good reports there.

I am amazed that you broke no less than three OME shockabsorbers. What tyre pressures were you running over the rough bits? And more importantly, what was the weight of your rig?

I have been over some extreme tracks in the past three years and my OME's have stood up to all the punishment over thousands of kilometres of corrugations as well as some trackless country driving.

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Follow Up By: Member - Dunworkin (WA) - Thursday, Aug 30, 2007 at 11:07

Thursday, Aug 30, 2007 at 11:07
Good morning Willem, When we bought our Patrol we knew nothing about 4WD so we went to ARB to get it fitted out for the CSR and OME shockies were the ones that they recommended. We did the CSR and apart from a couple of the bushes going in the back shockies we have had no problems with them and was tempted to leave them on for this trip but because we were going to do all three tracks at once we thought best to change them and use the old ones for spares which we did. The old ones are now back on the vehicle and finished the trip with no problems so we are wondering if we just got a bad batch. Having said all that the left front one (new one) is still on and working well.
The weight of our vehicle? Well sorry but don't know however the extra weight, other than the vehicle:
We carry 215 Litres of fuel, that would have been about half by the time we hit Drysdale, (we didn't fill up until Derby),
The engel fridge
Oz tent
Spare tyre, chairs & table & clothes
And general camping gear, food etc, we don't take any extra equipment that we can do with out, the vehicle was set up the same as for the Canning

If, out of that you can see something that might be a problem please let me know, would be appreciated.

Willem we heard along the way that you had some problems on your trip, something to do with the front end of your vehicle, now we know how chinese whispers work so was wondering if all was OK on your trip. We kept an eye out for your vehicle in Alice but didn't see it while we were there.

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Reply By: BT- Thursday, Aug 30, 2007 at 12:17

Thursday, Aug 30, 2007 at 12:17
Gidday Dunworkin,
just got back from the GRR last week ourselves. Got as far as King Edward River before a reality check told me I didn't have enough spares to press on. A bit concerned to hear about your OME shocks. I've had mine on for 4+years and over 20K km on the dirt (GBH, GCR, CY, GRR etc) with no probs with a fully loaded vehicle and trailer. You may be right re a bad batch or maybe the suspension combination needs a look at. I've a pair of airbags in the rear coils to take a bit of the load and let the tyres down to 28 psi and then take it fairly slow to suit conditions (max 80kmh) - works for me. You're right - Manning River is a top spot and can't wait to get back. Thanks for the accurate report
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Follow Up By: Member - Dunworkin (WA) - Thursday, Aug 30, 2007 at 18:46

Thursday, Aug 30, 2007 at 18:46
Hi BT, when ARB put on the original OMEs they replaced the springs etc. to go with them so if the experts don't know what they are doing then we are in deep trouble but having said that, we have checked with others and they have said that the combination is correct. We don't have airbags thought but the Land Cruiser that we went with did and they had a problem with one of theirs and eventually their shockie went as well. (original Toyota shockies).
We have BFG All Terrain on and ran them at 32psi on all gravel roads, that seemed to work for us. Our old shockies are doing well, got us out of Mitchell Falls and home so we are leaving them on and keep the exchange ones for spares.

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Reply By: Bilbo - Thursday, Aug 30, 2007 at 12:51

Thursday, Aug 30, 2007 at 12:51
Deanna and Bev,

We did the GRR in late June,,,,,,,,,never again. The East and West Kimberley Shire can shove the GRR where the monkey puts his nuts!! It was OK for about 100 kms then it got worse, and worse and worse. At Mt Barnett Station for about 100 kms the ruts were about a half metre deep with bad corrugations where the road wasn't rutted. After that it was the occasional 10 km good patch followed by a 50 km patch of bone shakers. At times we were down to 10 kmh!!

And at $1.96 a litre at Mt Barnett he can shove his diesel as well!! Pirate,,,,,,

There was very little upside for us because we travel with a small dog so we couldn't get to see all the gorges. But fron what we heard ther was little or no water in most of 'em. At least I can say that we've done the GRR.

For the last 25 years, I've travelled with my tyres at 40 + PSI (280 + KPA), basically as hard as I can get 'em, and I've never blown a shockie yet. And that includes 11 years on a Ford Maverick with standard Nissan shocks. Plus I travel fully loaded and sometimes a bit over ;). I reckon the OME's you were sold were duds. Go back and SHOUT! They should handle rough stuff for longer than that.

The Pentecost river was good and an awesome sight but the rest of it, scrub bull country, I wouldn't get out of bed for. I was so glad to see the end of the GRR and head for KNA.

Bilbo - "The not easy to please hobbit"
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Follow Up By: Bilbo - Thursday, Aug 30, 2007 at 12:59

Thursday, Aug 30, 2007 at 12:59
The next trip reports will be my run in with Broome Shire Council and the Broome Tourist Bureau and Marble Bar,,,,,,,,,,,,and it's striking similarity to that little town in the film "Deliverance". What a place,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

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Follow Up By: Member - Dunworkin (WA) - Thursday, Aug 30, 2007 at 21:21

Thursday, Aug 30, 2007 at 21:21
Hi Bilbo, How is your better half and the four legged baby????
As I stated in my report the GRR was in good condition when we went over, the grader had got as far as El Questro turnoff so from there to Derby we had a good run, you obviously went before the grader, it sounds like it was pretty bad for you, I would think possibly like the Kalumburu Rd was for us.
The shockies have been exchanged, and that's another story, not happy with OME agent in Derby but impressed with 4x4 Broome, both ARB agents. Bevan did let ARB Derby know how he felt!!!!!!
Sorry we missed you on the GCR, I did see you coming, it was the EO windscreen sticker that caught my eye first but it was only when you got closer I heard the chevvy engine, I waved hard but you must have been looking the other way by then.

Looking forward to your report re the Shire Council and Tourist Bureaus of Broome and Marble Bar!!!!!!!!!! I will report on Bevans run in with Derby ARB.

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Reply By: Atomnaki - Thursday, Aug 30, 2007 at 14:14

Thursday, Aug 30, 2007 at 14:14
Bad luck about doing your shockies, especially when it prevented you from visiting one of the best spots in Oz, Mitchell Falls. There seems to be no rhyme nor reason for things to happen. We have a 2002 Kia Sportage, did the GRR in early July 2004 just after all the late rain that year. Have to say the road was the worst we have ever struck, got to the King Edward River saw 2 vehicles limping back with shockie problems but we kept on going. 50km of bang bang bang. Last year we went back in late June the track condition after the river was a lot better by a long shot than in 2004, however we only got about 20km along and came across a guy who have done the axel on the off road camper. They had to make another track around it so vehicles could get passed until it was towed out a couple of days later. Believe it cost $1500 too. Still our little Kia did the job no probs. However we did do a shockie in 2004 when we went up to the Cobourg Peninsula and the road was pretty good. Crept back to Darwin from Jabiru. Surprisingly we did 4 tyres during last years trip 3 on the GRR and one near Mt Tom Price along the mines' access road.
We have just recently taken the Kia up to Cape York via the Old Telegraph Track as the Development Rd is badly corrugated in long stretches so even on the return trip we decided to cover a bit of the OTT as creek crossings and uneven roads surfaces and sand make for more pleasurable driving. Not a flat tyre was had but we did lose 4x4 in the sand on the track from the Tip - Cape York across to Punsand Bay. Luckily a team of quad bike riders came by and pulled us out of the sand bog. $92 spent the next day at the local mechanics in Bamaga. In Kia's, the 4x4 once you engage it, it is then actioned by a vaccuum system and we had a split in the hose. If that had have happened on the Old telegraph Track can't imagine the fun we would have had getting back onto the road where 4x4 is not needed.
It all amounts to the luck of the draw I'm sure. Tyre pressure I believe should always be accessed at the time but letting them down a bit does help for sure but you only need a bad stretch and the tyres can be ripped to pieces. We carry extra shockies as well which is good practice.
Hope you make the GRR trip again and don't miss Mitchell Falls mate.
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Follow Up By: Member - Dunworkin (WA) - Thursday, Aug 30, 2007 at 21:37

Thursday, Aug 30, 2007 at 21:37
Hi Atomanaki, yes I think you are right about 'luck of the draw' and I think that Murphy has a lot to answer for too. We did do all the right things as we had heard horror stories along the way but we still had to try it, oh well better luck next time.
You sound like you have had a few good trips?????????

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Reply By: HGMonaro - Thursday, Aug 30, 2007 at 16:56

Thursday, Aug 30, 2007 at 16:56
we recently did the GRR with wind-up camper in tow. Took the camper to Drysdale then tented it at Mitchell Falls. Foun d the GRR to be must better than expected. Up to Drysdale had some bad sections. Road up to Mitchell Falls had bigger longer bad sections but we did it in 4hrs. No tyres of shocks hurt! 2 standard Prado's (our on D694's, father-in-law on Grand Treks)

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Follow Up By: Member - Dunworkin (WA) - Thursday, Aug 30, 2007 at 21:43

Thursday, Aug 30, 2007 at 21:43
Hi HGMonaro, glad that you were able to make it into Mitchell Falls, we probably would have to if we had kept going but by using up our spare shockies it was not worth the risk in our minds.
We might get back there one day if they happen to grade the road.

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Reply By: Bilbo - Friday, Aug 31, 2007 at 00:04

Friday, Aug 31, 2007 at 00:04
One of my main probs with doing the GRR was not all the fault of the road but some of the clowns that use it.

If ever get my hands around the throat of the driver of a dark blue or black Range Rover out near the El Questro part of the track, then I'll, I'll, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,well you know.

He was doing about 110 kmh on a blind bend,on a dirt road, with me running off the road with a caravan in tow - just to accomodate a clown that shouldn't have a driving licence. Geez it was close!!

There were a few others as well that thought that GRR stands for Gibb River Racing, but none as bad as the guy in the Rangie. I reckon he had a red sunrise headband on and was "driving for The Emperor" - suicidal maniac.

Bilbo
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Follow Up By: Member - Dunworkin (WA) - Friday, Aug 31, 2007 at 00:35

Friday, Aug 31, 2007 at 00:35
Geez Bilbo, that sounds nasty, we had a few idiots on the way around but nothing like that. Really you have to wonder where some of them leave their brains. Glad to see that you were skilled enough to get out of it.

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Follow Up By: Alan H - Friday, Aug 31, 2007 at 12:14

Friday, Aug 31, 2007 at 12:14
The cook and I were up there just over a year ago and saw our share of idiots, mostly I think they were tourists with hired Tojos.
I'd let the tyres down and was taking it easy to lessen damage over some real rough stuff and they'd come flying along in both directions throwing rocks everywhere.
Tourist buses the same, no regard at all for anyone else on the road.
But why should we be suprised and angered at bad driving on the GRR, we've only got to look at the ordinary everyday driving in Perth (and other cities) to see the same attitudes towards others on the roads.
Happy motoring.
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Follow Up By: Member - Dunworkin (WA) - Friday, Aug 31, 2007 at 12:29

Friday, Aug 31, 2007 at 12:29
Oh how true, yes you are right with the Britz or Apollo drivers!!!!!!!!!. We had a close call, a Tojo was passing us through our dust, he wouldn't have been able to see ahead but he wanted to pass anyway, so he takes his chances and were come to a bend and then just around the corner comes an oncoming car, fortunately hubby saw what the idiot was doing and braked, the idiot then saw the oncoming car and planted his foot, they missed by a very small amount. We always kept a watch out for anyone cars coming up behind and we always let them pass but he couldn't wait behind, wanted to get out of the dust I guess.

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Reply By: Member -Wanderers (QLD) - Friday, Aug 31, 2007 at 20:22

Friday, Aug 31, 2007 at 20:22
It sounds like a rough track into Mitchell Falls glad we didn't attempt it. Glad to have met you at Elquestro and Willem along the track. It is certainly a great country we live in to be able to explore these wonderful places. We had a good trip home back to the Sunshine Coast with the Hilux going great guns after it's 10,000 km run, I think we were more weary than it.
Hope to meet many more adventurous people along the track. Can't wait till our next trip. Appreciated all the information collected from exploreoz re road conditions etc. Though it is a changing factor a road that was fair last week can be a shocker this week. All part of the fun.
Cheers Cath
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Follow Up By: Member - Dunworkin (WA) - Friday, Aug 31, 2007 at 23:00

Friday, Aug 31, 2007 at 23:00
Hi Cath, great to hear from you. I was going to put on a thread to see if you were home yet. Glad to hear that you and your vehicle got home safe and sound, it is always a plus in this day and age. Was great meeting you at El Questro and put some faces to names. We were disappointed at missing out going to Mitchell but better luck next time. We thought that if we could find out when the road in there is graded next then we will throw things in the car and race up there before it gets too bad, could work.
We are currently packing up the caravan now and heading off to Shark Bay for a 'relaxing' holiday with eldest daughter , her hubby and their children and her parents in-law, should be a good time.

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