roof mounted solar panels

Hi all,
Could anyone help me with how to mount solar panels on a pop top.
I have a Golf Outback poptop and I have an aluminium rack purpose made for the mounting of solar panels.
My query is How to fix the rack to the van roof, what is the roof of the poptop made of. Do you use bolts going right trhough the roof with exposed nuts inside the van?
Do you just coach bolt it to the material of the poptop (is it 16 mm ply?)

i'm sure there are many folks out there that have done this before, so I'd appreciate some feedback

Regards Goldfine
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Reply By: SARocks - Saturday, Sep 08, 2007 at 19:25

Saturday, Sep 08, 2007 at 19:25
Ask the supplier who sold you the solar panels. My panels came complete with mounting brackets, water proof pop rivets and 12pg instruction sheet with photos for pop top and full van and all wiring details.
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Follow Up By: Goldfind (Dunsborough) - Saturday, Sep 08, 2007 at 21:50

Saturday, Sep 08, 2007 at 21:50
SAROCKS, Thanks for your reply. The panel I have did not come with any fittings. in the past I have home fitted an aluminium angle brace that folds out, but the thing blew over and got smashed. I have purchased a new panel mount kit, but unsure of what the poptop roof consists of. It does not look very solid.
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Reply By: Richard & Leonie - Saturday, Sep 08, 2007 at 21:03

Saturday, Sep 08, 2007 at 21:03
Why would you roof mount them unless of course they are easily removed when stationary? Unless they are oriented facing north at about 25 deg to the ground they are no going to be very efficient. If you are parked under a tree how can they work? Just an observation considering generally as the output is very low you will need all the charge you can get.
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Follow Up By: Goldfind (Dunsborough) - Saturday, Sep 08, 2007 at 21:47

Saturday, Sep 08, 2007 at 21:47
Thanks for your response Richard. Yes I agree. and for the past 5 or 6 years I have carried my panel in the van and erected it when camped. Last Easter the wind got up and blew the panel over and it got smashed. $1000.00 gone. So I have another new one and definately do not want to see it go the same way, so I thought on top of the van. I agree that it is better to be able to change the panel position to follow thw sun. Maybe I will just stick it on the roof rack and do the same once we are camped
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Follow Up By: disco1942 - Saturday, Sep 08, 2007 at 22:33

Saturday, Sep 08, 2007 at 22:33
You mount the panels on the roof for convenience. You only have to increase the the panel size by 20% to make up for the loss of efficiency due to having them flat. The panels are always available for charging, if you have them portable you have to pack them away when you leave your van. If you are not continually shifting your panels then flat ones are actually more efficient in the morning and afternoon than if they are angled for the mid day sun. The panels are deployed for use at all times, including when you are traveling.

The biggest advantage of having the panels on the roof is that they are nearly theft proof. If you have portable ones you have to baby sit them. You cant leave them to go fishing. You cant go for a walk and leave them. In fact having loose ones restrict your movements too much.

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Follow Up By: Goldfind (Dunsborough) - Sunday, Sep 09, 2007 at 18:38

Sunday, Sep 09, 2007 at 18:38
Disco1942

Peterd,
Yes I agree peter, They do get in the way when you have to lay them in the van continually. So I think roof mount is the way to go. And I definately do not want to ge tanother one smashed up.
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Follow Up By: Axel [ the real one ] - Monday, Sep 10, 2007 at 09:39

Monday, Sep 10, 2007 at 09:39
Disco 1942 , 4+yrs on this forum there has only been one case of solar panels "taking a walk" and they were permanently fixed to the roof of a bus , people worry to much methinks , bit like padlocking the zips on a tent , what would you sooner replace ? the tent because some one used a knife to gain access or the small items stolen ?? bolting a solar panel or locking a tent only advertises that you have something worth stealing to those inclined to do so.
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Follow Up By: Bilbo - Monday, Sep 10, 2007 at 18:31

Monday, Sep 10, 2007 at 18:31
Your works does it Axel?

It would appear that you've never been prospecting in the WA Goldfields where anything not chained or bolted down, walks. Whole caravans have disappeared. Generators and expensive metal detectors ($5,500.00 a pop) walk regularly. I chain my genny to a tree.

Axel, not everyone that uses the bush gets on this forum.

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Follow Up By: Mainey (WA) - Wednesday, Sep 12, 2007 at 09:13

Wednesday, Sep 12, 2007 at 09:13
As a quick comment

I don't believe a Solar panel will recharge a battery when the vehicle is moving :-))
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Follow Up By: Geoff (Newcastle, NSW) - Wednesday, Sep 12, 2007 at 09:52

Wednesday, Sep 12, 2007 at 09:52
Hi Mainey,
I'm quite interested in your comment, I would believe it'd operate mobile just as efficiently as it does stationary.

The only physical reason I can see it wouldn't is if you can tow your van at or greater than the speed of light.

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Follow Up By: Geoff (Newcastle, NSW) - Wednesday, Sep 12, 2007 at 09:55

Wednesday, Sep 12, 2007 at 09:55
Of course the other thing I just realised is you did land at least one fish, good one!

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Follow Up By: Mainey (WA) - Friday, Sep 14, 2007 at 16:12

Friday, Sep 14, 2007 at 16:12
Geoff,
The vehicle Alternator charges the Aux battery system when moving.
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Follow Up By: disco1942 - Friday, Sep 14, 2007 at 23:31

Friday, Sep 14, 2007 at 23:31
Mainey

Your comments in FollowUp 6 & 9 were answered in Reply 6 of Thread 48756.

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Follow Up By: Axel [ the real one ] - Saturday, Sep 15, 2007 at 17:34

Saturday, Sep 15, 2007 at 17:34
Bilbo , read the reply , you want to advertise that you have something valuable "put a big lock on it " and you can guarantee some lowlife will nock it off , I /we have never yet had anything stolen when camped in crowded places or remote places , LUCK ??? maybe !!!! brotherinlaw used to padlock the zipps on his c/trailer , asked him why and the answer was to stop thieves , YEAH RIGHT !! the only thing a lock stops is HONEST people.
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Follow Up By: Mainey (WA) - Monday, Sep 17, 2007 at 13:44

Monday, Sep 17, 2007 at 13:44
Peter.
I've actually checked early this morning by watching my (+) (-) Ammeter installed in-line between the Aux AGM Storage batteries and the Solar regulator.
It was showing a constant 3.4 Amps was going into the AGM batteries.

The AGM Storage battery Voltage was showing as 13.8 Volts, which is normal.

I had some-one start the engine, after a few 'seconds' the Amps suddenly went back to ZERO.

This iindicates NO Solar power was going from the Solar Regulator to the AGM Storage batteries, with the engine running.

However the Storage battery Voltage suddenly went 'UP'
- from 13.8v to 14.4v.

I believe I can explain the "few seconds" by saying the Cranking battery was initially recharged by the Alternator.
Then the Rotronics battery Isolator closed to allow the Alternator to put charge direct into the AGM Storage batteries.

Therefore no Solar Power is charging the Aux battery system when the vehicle is being driven.

ALL power to the Aux battery system is supplied direct from the Alternator.
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Reply By: Bilbo - Saturday, Sep 08, 2007 at 22:12

Saturday, Sep 08, 2007 at 22:12
Goldfind,

Check your personal messages. I can send you some pics of how I did mine on a Supreme Offroader pop-top.

They are more solid than thay look if you know where to look.

Bilbo - "A fellow prospecting hobbit"
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Follow Up By: Goldfind (Dunsborough) - Sunday, Sep 09, 2007 at 18:53

Sunday, Sep 09, 2007 at 18:53
Bilbo,

Les, Can you send me some pics. Some time since we caught up, Bob and I still have the lease at Golden grove. How have you been?

Regards Wayne
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Follow Up By: Member - Brian H (QLD) - Monday, Sep 10, 2007 at 06:17

Monday, Sep 10, 2007 at 06:17
Bilbo,

I would also be interested in some photo's as i'm just looking down this path at the moment. If this is not to much trouble ....... one does not want to get in the road of your prospecting :)

Looking at something up to 130 watt panel.

Brian
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Follow Up By: Bilbo - Monday, Sep 10, 2007 at 18:38

Monday, Sep 10, 2007 at 18:38
Brian,

Your email address is not visible in your members profile, so I can't send you any pics. Neither can I send 'em using the Personal Message System. I could send 'em if I had your address.

OR

Click on my "Members Rig and Profile" under my (Bilbo) signature and send me a test email to my email adress. That way, I'll have your email address and I can send you the pics.

Bilbo
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Follow Up By: Member - Brian H (QLD) - Monday, Sep 10, 2007 at 19:58

Monday, Sep 10, 2007 at 19:58
Bilbo,

Sent you an email.

Brian
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Reply By: Member - GeeTee (NT) - Sunday, Sep 09, 2007 at 01:04

Sunday, Sep 09, 2007 at 01:04
Have 3 panels on our Jayco Freedom Pop Top. Used 40mm aluminium angle front and back and some standoffs from 40mm acetal (like nylon) rod with hole drilled in the center. Used ss bolts (8mm) and nylocks and positioned them far enough out so the only went through the roof overhang. Worked out fine and has been there a couple of years.
Can post pics tomorrow if that will help.
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Follow Up By: Goldfind (Dunsborough) - Sunday, Sep 09, 2007 at 18:49

Sunday, Sep 09, 2007 at 18:49
Gee Tee,
Thanks for your reply, yes going out wide enough to catch the overhang may be the way to go. I hadnt thought of that.
Could you post some pics please

Regards Wayne
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Reply By: Bilbo - Sunday, Sep 09, 2007 at 22:51

Sunday, Sep 09, 2007 at 22:51
Wayne H,

I've been chasing you since you sent me that Personal Message a few momths back. I lost the message 'cos we've been travelling for 4 months and using telecentres for emails etc. Consequently, I stuffed up and lost the darn message.

Anyway, check yer email and I'll take some pics in the morning and send them off to you,

"GeeTee" above has the right idea but I altered things a bit and made it a bit simpler.

I agree with you about the wind getting hold of 'em. I lost a big panel when a willy-willy picked it up and threw against a quartz boulde about 200 mtrs away. It was a good mate of mine from the USA that was using it at the time and he felt real bad about it. But it happens,,,,,,,,,,

Plus when I go out bipping for the day, it's a temptation for some light fingered scumbag to easily pick it up and drive off with it.

On the roof, it's bolted down.

Bilbo (Les)
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Reply By: Member - GeeTee (NT) - Monday, Sep 10, 2007 at 13:17

Monday, Sep 10, 2007 at 13:17
Hi Goldfind,
Hope you can get something from this pic. Unfortunately I have the van back under the house so it's a bit difficult to photograph.
If you need anf further info please email me.

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Follow Up By: Goldfind (Dunsborough) - Monday, Sep 10, 2007 at 20:55

Monday, Sep 10, 2007 at 20:55
GeeTee,

Thanks for the pic. Yes it looks good, I will look at doing it your way.
Many thanks again

Regards Wayne
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