Thread follow up 49535

Do not correct me when said ASSES i meant ASSES.Americanism is not the way of the world.The word was used as not to rile the Moderator.LOl

Who is loi ?

IFIK.!

Dougy, Dougy, Dougy....

You know it never ceases to amaze me that the spelling is so bad on this forum.

Dond????

I mean really. Some of our intrepid correspondence need to go back to school.

(Be careful of my purposefully planted error)

Hey, Gone Bush.
Was your purposefully planted error the spelling, or the poor punctuation?
As such, should you have made that purposefully planted errors, or would this then technically be one error on purpose, and two unplanned errors.?
Hmmm. what school will you be going back to?
I also probably have errors, but I don't give a damn.
Cheers
Ian

correspondence ????
DO i GET THE PRIZE

Brushy, my post was more a dig at Doug (sort of rhymes, doesn't it?) who submitted a recent post lamenting the poor spelling on this Forum.

BTW, did you know that Doug invented the Tilley lamp?

He's quite famous but keeps it to himself.

I was under the impression that the Tilley lamp was invented by Lord Rudolph Alexander Tilley, in England in 1885.
He was a famous proctologist whose patients had some discomfort from the burning twigs he was taught to use by the Brittish Medical Board, and he kept getting his sideburns and moustache singed, but hey, you live and learn, but good onya Doug. Most enlightening.
Sorry to get in your way of sticking it to a spelling fanatic.
Thanks for the education.
Cheers
Ian

I suppose that's why you recommended the Train Horn the other day LOL

Kev

Im still on the look out for one.. :)

That's why i wouldn't use glade ends.the bloody things are always comming off.
Dave...

In response to your references made towards heavy vehicles I suggest you make no comment on subjcts you obviously know nothing about, especially with regards to puting blame on drivers of said vehicles.
The last thing the heavy vehicle industry needs is wombats like you filling the general public with scaremongering crap the likes of which you have just dribbled. I doubt Channel nine needs any help in that regard.
May I also suggest that you appologise to heavy vehicle drivers for your misinformed and defamatory accusations.

Pezza

DIO,
Have you ever driven a 'heavy vechile'? if so please inform the forum as otherwise your comments are without justification.

The heaviest vechile I have driven was an unloaded Mitsu Fighter 7.5tn truck around the back yard at work when the boss was bored and was looking for something to do. Certainly opened my eyes as to the amount of concentration and knowledge that would be neccessary to operate these and far larger rigs on the open road let alone in dense city traffic.

My reasons for arking up are because such comments at the above in regards to so-called 'road cowboys' (with the current affairs programs trying to cover the entire transport industry with the one blanket) have copped in pretty badly in recent times the incredible majority without any tangible evidence. Anyone remeber the truck-clips-merc-in-tunnel fiasco with that f@ckwit reporter deliberately making a truck overtake her in a crowded tunnel?
Truck driver one second, tarred as public enemy numero uno the next.

Ben

So Dio, if your pulling up in any type of vehicle you only use Brakes. your automatic doe not change down with the lowering of speed (news to me).Manual you stay in top gear & use you brakes 'till you stop (Woah).No wonder those trucks in south aus. had brake failure.

Dio,

I believe that the most recent incident was a rigid tipper + dog trailer. It had very recently had new brakes fitted and had been through its heavy vehicle accreditation only a few days before.

This comes from a person on the scene, but I can't vouch for it.

There is nothing to suggest, as yet, that this was anything other than a failure of the brakes.

Franga, a boat is a Vessel.Lol

100% MUDDY
When I was taught to drive, it was explained to me to use the gears, (engine compression braking), as well as the brakes.

The sign at the top of Cunninghams Gaps say's MUST use low gear as most other Hills, ie Greenmount, Towoomba Range ,

Yep, use just your brakes coming down the gap in a loaded 4wd with a trailer and watch those discs turn red and smoke. Let alone a bigger / heavier vehicle.

I was also slated to do this particular course with CFS but there was some sort of hiccup with the instructor and the course was cancelled at last minute. Was it good?

So was this the opposite of a stall-start?

Love to know more.

Muddy

G'day John,

"I can expand on these things a bit if anyone's interested, but it'll make for a long'ish reply."

Yes thanks mate, our RFS Cat 1 tankers are 7 speed 14 tonne, am interested to know more on the CFS training if poss.

Muddy, the course was very good. No bull bleep , bugger all paperwork - just enough to ensure people have an understanding of a 4wd system. Good instructors.

A couple of scenarios (in all cases you're already in 4wd on firm going, not sand):

You're heading up a hill, but judge you're not going to make it in the present gear, and trying to change down will likely not work.
Turn the key off, apply the brake.
Decide whether you can make it by keeping going forward. If so;
Keep your foot planted on the brake and; pull on the park brake, stick it in 1st, release park brake, release pedal brake.
By now it's just engine compression holding the show, so release the foot brake slowly to ensure you don't head backwards at a rate of knots.
Give a little bit of accelerator, and start the engine.
(This is the part that freaked me a bit - starting a 14 ton truck, pointing uphill, with all that weight on a starter motor.)
It is a remarkably smooth & efficient method, both starting & stopping.

If you don't think you can make it over the hill, instead of putting it in 1st, stick it in reverse, turn the jake brake on and start the engine (no accelerator).

Same method is used if pointing down hill, though it feels much more controlled than regular (clutch on, apply brake) stopping - the engine compression adds braking, so you feel much more comfortable.

The same stopping method can be used in sand, but starting off would be a bit more conventional (start engine, park brake start or whatever the situation dictates) if you're on a slope. If you're on the flat, this 'in-gear' start method can be used.

The theory with the start is, for the instant you start the engine drive is sent to all wheels, giving better traction to get the vehicle moving. Of course, very quickly the diffs do their job, but by then you're already moving. Also, because you start at low revs, low speed, it's a smoother start - no rocking back on the rear axle.

Give it a try.

I understand this method is being taught with Izuzu & Hino approval (after all, the CFS is not going to teach anything which increases likelyhood of buggering the vehicles or voiding warranties), it is taught by industry experts (the guy who taught me was in the army for quite some time as a driver, trainer, experimenter) who also teach it in regular 4wd training courses.

Most importantly though, having done it, it feels very comfortable & useable.

Sorry to burst your bubble John but the method you explain is the standard hill stall/start when 4wding that people have been doing for last 15 plus years, unfortunately it has bugger all to do with the original post which relates to trying to pull up 5 tonne plus on a normal road, which certain people are trying to say you should be doing without using your gears.

Cheers
Pezza

You're not bursting my bubble at all Pezza, but maybe you're not reading the posts very well.

My initial post offers a thought on how to stop a 5 tonne vehicle on a normal road, with a bit of background on why I'd suggest something many may consider a bit odd.

I was then asked to expand on what I was taught in a course, so I did in the subsequent post.

I am not surprised the hill start technique has been used in 4wding for some time. I wasn't expecting to be told it's acceptable in a 14t truck though.

Interestingly we are told not to use the gears to slow down in these vehicles, even though they're fitted with jake brakes.
That very much goes against your instinct!
Theory is that modern drive trains (this is in a medium rigid truck with 5 speed syncro) are not nearly as strong as they once were.

Cheers,
John

Neither Hino or Isuzu have jacobs engine brakes,They do however have exhaust brakes
Shane

Shane is correct.

If as you say "don't give a rats" why did you bother to reply ?
In the industry 30 years uh ? Driving a desk for 29.5 of those I'd say, going by your dribble above.

Pezza

I've been in the transport game just over 30 years & what rooscoota said is pretty close to the mark.only use gears for slowing down when driving an 892T with jakes at fullnoise.
Cheers Dave...

Hi rooscoota, yes I have driven semi's but only locally around town no long distance and havnt driven one for about 2 years now. I have heard that when going down a steep hill where there are signs telling heavy vehicles must use left lane and must be low gear etc THAT if you use your foot brakes means you are not in a low enough gear and there fore are not in full control of vehicle and can be fined for it. Now this sounds like total utter bullsh@t to me BUT not driving these things on a regular basis as said is this all bullsh@t pup talk or fair dinkum. When I have been going down steep grades (no sign posting for lower gears etc)I have used lower gearing, exhaust brakes, and dabbed the foot brake if needed as to not heat up the brakes. Regards Steve M

I've not driven anything heavier than 6wheel and 8wheel tippers but my boss was a pretty good instructor. His method was to be going fairly slowly at the top of the hill to start with. This avoids overheating the brakes. And yes changing down gears at highway speeds to slow up is helpfull, but can be hard work in lower gears.

Somewhere above someone said to turn the key off and hit the brakes.....WRONG IF THE VEHICLE HAS A STEERING LOCK. IF THE VEHICLE HAS A STEERING LOCK, DO NOT TRY THIS.

ooops left out a 'gar' as in gargantuan Bloody finger/keyboard co-ordination - non-existent :))))

Hi there Al,how have you been?
I thought this would be a god thread as a follow up to the original 49535 the other night.I thought to myself it would go almost 1st place for Friday Funnies & almost as Expected we got a wide variety of answers some of them quite funny to hilarious. I think i would rather drive my self around anywhere than get in any type of transport vehicle with some of them,if they were fair dinkum that is.
was all good humour.LOL
Cheers Bob.

Bob,

You are definitely a stirrer of the first order LOL. I think some of them failed their scooter license tests as well :)))))

Al, me a stirrer,nevvvvver.Lol
Cheers Bob.