Telstra ZTE F252 Next G phone deal

Submitted: Sunday, Sep 16, 2007 at 12:57
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Hullo technos
Mate of mine is being offered one of these phones by Telstra on a $20 p mth (with $20 of calls) 24 mth contract. Firstly, is this phone any good? Is the deal any good? Why is he going into Next G rather than the ordinary coverage in urban areas. What are Telstra up to? My understanding( which may be erroneous) is that Next G was designed to replace CDMA. Realise that it may provide other hi tech benefits to some users but this is of no relevance to him. TKS
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Reply By: Muddy doe (SA) - Sunday, Sep 16, 2007 at 13:02

Sunday, Sep 16, 2007 at 13:02
That is the most basic Telstra NextG phone on the most basic plan.

The ZTE phones are the "chinese cheapie" of the Telstra range. They have a very flimsy plasticky feel however I have not heard any reports of them being any less reliable than other handsets.

NextG is in fact the replacement for CDMA and offers better coverage than GSM (the "ordinary" network) in semi-rural and outlying areas. Whether it is better than CDMA is a hot topic!

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Follow Up By: wigger - Sunday, Sep 16, 2007 at 13:32

Sunday, Sep 16, 2007 at 13:32
Tks Muddy doe,
So when you say the most "basic "plan, do you mean that theres' no cheaper plan or do you mean that it's so no frills that it isn't really very good value? Is shifting him on to the Next G network, rather than letting him remain on GSM a Telstra con? He doesn't need rural area phone coverage ability in Murwillumbah.
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Follow Up By: Muddy doe (SA) - Sunday, Sep 16, 2007 at 13:40

Sunday, Sep 16, 2007 at 13:40
$20 plan is the cheapest plan.

As for the transition from GSM to NextG being a con, not to sure about that. NextG phones do struggle a bit with in-building coverage in cities. GSM seems still better for metro usage.

NextG is Telstra's premier network and is probably the network that they would prefer users to be on in terms of RPU (revenue per user). Those on CDMA are being pushed hard to be on NextG as CDMA is slated for closure and NextG is the replacement. With GSM it is a case of increased functionality (video, data, web browsing) being available on NextG and it is certainly the way of the future. Not sure of the future of GSM but certainly it will be around another 5 years at least though I do think Telstra have plans to close that down too so the more they can get on NextG now, the better.

Hope that helps.
Muddy
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Follow Up By: wigger - Sunday, Sep 16, 2007 at 13:52

Sunday, Sep 16, 2007 at 13:52
Tks Muddy doe. You have explained network issue well. The way I look at is that if you're paying $480 (over 24 mths)(sure you are getting free phone calls, but these are at marginal cost to Telstra) then you are really paying the bulk of this for the phone, and from what you said it sounds like the F 252 is nothing special and the Motorola V3 he already has, might be just as good. The trouble is that people hear the words"free phone" and their brain closes down.
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Follow Up By: wigger - Sunday, Sep 16, 2007 at 13:52

Sunday, Sep 16, 2007 at 13:52
Tks Muddy doe. You have explained network issue well. The way I look at is that if you're paying $480 (over 24 mths)(sure you are getting free phone calls, but these are at marginal cost to Telstra) then you are really paying the bulk of this for the phone, and from what you said it sounds like the F 252 is nothing special and the Motorola V3 he already has, might be just as good. The trouble is that people hear the words"free phone" and their brain closes down.
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Follow Up By: Muddy doe (SA) - Sunday, Sep 16, 2007 at 14:09

Sunday, Sep 16, 2007 at 14:09
Too true.

If he already has a phone that he is happy with on GSM and he doesn't need enhanced rural coverage or video calls or the like then he would be better off just sticking with the V3.

This is purely a case of Telstra selling somebody what Telstra wants to sell rather than what the customer actually wanted.

There are so many people who ONLY want a simple, robust, reliable phone that works in reasonably far-flung places and does not have all the extra camera/mp3/data stuff.

By only offering phones that "have the lot" Telstra is trying to drive demand for the extra stuff. If people have a phone that can do video calls then one day they might actually use it and then get hooked on it and use it all the time. If you let people buy a basic phone that only makes calls then there is NO chance of ever getting that person onto making more expensive video calls.

Sure, one day video calls will be the norm, but for now many people just want simple voice call phones but while Telstra have their own network that has the best reach in the land and shres it with nobody else, then they are going to try to ramp up demand by making everyone buy something that they don't really need.

Geez - now ya got me started!
Muddy
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Nullagine) - Sunday, Sep 16, 2007 at 14:30

Sunday, Sep 16, 2007 at 14:30
does he make many calls?
$20 will only last 2 or 3 calls
I have saved a fortune in just 3 days by getting a pre paid sim and when i want to call my GF i pop it in you get free calls to 5 other telsta numbers for $30 per month
why the hell didnt i know this before i burnt around 1k
Fantastic deal
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Follow Up By: wigger - Sunday, Sep 16, 2007 at 14:36

Sunday, Sep 16, 2007 at 14:36
Tks
Surely $20 would give him at least 15 mins. What's the plan called that gives you the 5 calls? What's the "1k' bit?
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Nullagine) - Sunday, Sep 16, 2007 at 15:42

Sunday, Sep 16, 2007 at 15:42
1k = $1,000
the plan is called freinds or something. you can either have 5 non telsta numbers and for the $40 per month recharge pre paid you get around $300 of calls to those 5 numbers or if they are telsta numbers you only need a $30 per month recharge and calls to those numbers '
are Free
nothing
zip
etc no time limit no nothing
free calls
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Reply By: wigger - Sunday, Sep 16, 2007 at 13:34

Sunday, Sep 16, 2007 at 13:34
Whoopsie - misplaced apostrophe. Hope Doug T is comatose today
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Reply By: George_M - Sunday, Sep 16, 2007 at 14:07

Sunday, Sep 16, 2007 at 14:07
Comparing the relative value of mobile 'phone plans is a PITA!

My wife was recently offered the same deal as your mate, as her 24 mth contract had just finished. Has your mate's plan just finished?

She was offered the choice of doing nothing (going off-plan), in which case she'd still pay $20 p/mth, but without any included ("free") calls ; OR signing up for a new 24 mth contract at $20 p/mth, in which case she's get a new 'phone and $20 worth of included calls for the period of the plan.

I personally think that NextG is great, however there are many people on this forum who've had a pretty rough time with the changeover from CDMA.

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Follow Up By: wigger - Sunday, Sep 16, 2007 at 14:26

Sunday, Sep 16, 2007 at 14:26
Tks George M.
Telstra sent him the new phone in a box which he had to actually open (this is what he tells me) to find out what sort of phone it was and in doing so he then consented to the offer(and therefore the new plan) I find this hard to believe and would doubt the contractual legality of this arrangement. It was sent because he only has 6 months to run on the existing plan. They are not cancelling the $17.50 payable on the V3 untill next March and he's paid $315 already on a phone that can be bought for $149 on a prepaid. If this is the case I told him to tell Telstra that he'll only agree to go onto the new plan if they cancel his payments. The trouble is thet you can't save everyone in the world from themselves and I'll bet that he does just what brings 'retail therapy' rather than seeing sense.
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Follow Up By: joc45 - Sunday, Sep 16, 2007 at 17:26

Sunday, Sep 16, 2007 at 17:26
Hi Wigger,
Telstra did that to a friend a while back with broadband. He asked for more info when Telstra advised by phone him that ADSL was finally available in his area. "We will send an information kit" they said.
A courier turned up with a box with a full installation kit and the message stating that in opening the box, you were contracted to Telstra ADSL. He handed it back to the courier and told him to take it back. "Yeh" the courier said, "I get told that a lot, to take them back. No skin off my nose; I get paid to deliver them".
Bit rough tho. Would be interesting to see how the imposed "contract" would stand up in court.
Gerry
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Reply By: Member - Cruiser (NSW) - Sunday, Sep 16, 2007 at 14:24

Sunday, Sep 16, 2007 at 14:24
I replied to an earlier post re our experience with the F252.

To put it bluntly, the plan ($20) really suits our needs especially on our latest trip into western and north western QLD, HOWEVER, the quality of the phones leaves a lot to be desired.

We took 2 of these phones on a $20 per month plan 4 months ago in preperation for our 3 month trip and within the first 3 weeks my battery had died and was replaced under warranty and my wifes phone (ZTE F252) died and was also replaced under warranty.

By the time we returned home, my phone was dead (ZTE F252) and was also replaced under warranty.

I can assure you that neither phone was abused in any way and were used in a normal manner.

When I took my phone into Telstar Countrywide Office to get it replaced I was told "we are replacing thousands of these", so when I asked if I could upgrade to a better quality phone I was told that the only way that could happen was if I paid a $350 fee to cancel my contract then enter a new contract with the phone of my choice (this meant a higher plan such as the $30 or $40 plan)

My wife and I still have another 20 months to go on our $20 plan and am really concerned about the quality of the ZTE F252 and its ability to last that long.

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Follow Up By: wigger - Sunday, Sep 16, 2007 at 14:31

Sunday, Sep 16, 2007 at 14:31
Tks Cruiser. Really good info to have. I may need to go round to his house and tatoo this post reverse style on his forehead so that he can dwell on it long and hard.
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Reply By: Zebra400 - Sunday, Sep 16, 2007 at 14:56

Sunday, Sep 16, 2007 at 14:56
I have been running the ZTE F252 for 3 months now and have had no problems with it. Only gripe I have is that it does not have the auto uppercase when creating text msgs at the start of each sentence. The other annoying thing is that each time you push a number you don't get an audible sound for every keystroke.

The phone comes with SW to view the internet via a PC. I downloaded an updated version of OziCE while away last month when passing through Adelaide and I averaged 25KB/sec download. Yes, thats KB not Kb. It was much easier doing it than on the phone screen.

I live in the Melbourne eastern suburbs and have had no reception problems at all with next G.

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Follow Up By: Muddy doe (SA) - Sunday, Sep 16, 2007 at 15:01

Sunday, Sep 16, 2007 at 15:01
Just watch your data usage. If you are on the "pay-as-you-go" rate with Telstra then it is an astronomical $15,000 per Gbyte! People have been caught and have had to "negotiate" bill settlements with Telstra.

If you are going to to use the phone as a data point for the PC then make sure you are on an appropriate data plan.

Muddy
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Follow Up By: wigger - Sunday, Sep 16, 2007 at 15:01

Sunday, Sep 16, 2007 at 15:01
Tks Z400
He's actually more concerned as to whether the alarm is as good as the V3 (pass me a cold drink please). What's it like?
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Reply By: Philip A - Sunday, Sep 16, 2007 at 17:50

Sunday, Sep 16, 2007 at 17:50
I have had a ZTE 252 since May with no problems.
I have a $30 per month plan which includes a car kit and $25 per month calls.
I have a 6DB antenna connected to the phone by patch cord.

I have not used it out of the city , but have used it for 2 weeks solid as a modem. It is fantastic as a modem, and the software is great as far as I am concerned.
The camera is crap
Initially the battery life was bad , but since I reduced the "lights on" period to mininum it has been more acceptable at about 5 days.If you intend to use it as a modem, make sure to buy a data kit.

If you buy a data kit part way through the billing month, they prorate it, ie if you buy a $39 kit, half way through the billing monththey charge you $20, but post say 32mgs of usage up front. Then if you go over the prorata amount left , you are charged at a higher rate.
So if you order a data kit partway through the month, order a bigger kit than you think you need eg if you think you need 64Megs, buy 120Megs or whatever.
Get It? Geez it took me a while to find that out.
Regards Philip A

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Follow Up By: Member - Norm C (QLD) - Tuesday, Sep 18, 2007 at 08:21

Tuesday, Sep 18, 2007 at 08:21
Philip, what is the car kit like. I've been told they are a bit crappy and difficult to get the phone in and out.

Is your 6DB antenna connected direct to the phone or via the car kit?

I've been offered a $20 per month deal including a car kit, but was a bit concerned about the quality of the phone, the car kit and ithe phones suitability for remote areas. So done nothing yet.
Norm C
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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Monday, Sep 17, 2007 at 01:02

Monday, Sep 17, 2007 at 01:02
The $20 per month plan from Telstra for NextG is really a $15 per month plan.

I took out a 12 month $20 contract and not only get a $5.00 per month rebate, but $15 of free calls per month also.
But wait, there's more.
One of the "Options" you can select also allows you to nominate a home phone line, or another mobile phone (as long as they are Telstra ones) and you get unlimited free calls to that phone for the first 3 minutes or so.

It was a far better deal that the CDMA one I had and this helped me to decide on the upgrade to NextG.

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Follow Up By: Keith_A (Qld) - Monday, Sep 17, 2007 at 08:52

Monday, Sep 17, 2007 at 08:52
Spot on Sandman - but you must have your own phone. The other plans include a phone in the deal. The $15 does not. ($20 - $5).
Suited me perfectly.

Telstra offer several 'free' options, and I chose the 'My Hour'. You select the hour (say 7pm to 8pm) and every day you can ring any fixed line (other than certain 1800 ones) or mobile number anywhere in Aust for up to 20 minutes in your selected hour.
People are starting to get phone calls from me they never got before - all between 7pm and 8pm. The 'bill' lists the value of the free calls, but charged at $0. Last monthly bill was $240 worth for $0. Hell - I am even starting to communicate again.

The cheapest pre-paid on NextG is $15/month, but without the 'extras ' - so the 'Plan' is actually cheaper. The other benefit is you can attach internet for a month or so, if you go travelling. Can't do that with the pre-paid. Stood on Bald Rock last weekend and rang a mate - full bars (on the TU500)...............Keith.
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Nullagine) - Tuesday, Sep 18, 2007 at 02:01

Tuesday, Sep 18, 2007 at 02:01
Not so keith most people actual;y only phone a few numbers. i have abandoned my next g sim for all but recieving calls for making them i ahave a GSM sim prepaid $30 a month talk to 5 other telstra customers for FREE no timed calls no call between this time and that- freee I will save at least $200 per month. A bonus being using GSM I am not plauged by next g poor reception and dropouts
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Reply By: TLC - Monday, Sep 17, 2007 at 11:31

Monday, Sep 17, 2007 at 11:31
Major difference between GSM and Next G (apart from the coverge) is that GSM is per second charging and Next G is 30 second charging or part thereof. So make a 31 second call on GSM pay for 31 seconds. Make a 31 second call on Next G pay for 60 seconds.
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Reply By: Bros 1 - Monday, Sep 17, 2007 at 22:54

Monday, Sep 17, 2007 at 22:54
wigger,
Have a ZTE on a $10 plan to replace my old CDMA Motorola.
Problems encountered so far are the phone turning itself off after changing from car power to 240 and viccy-verca.
You will need the relevant Pin and Puk numbers to unlock. They were on my receipt.
Apart from that, no problems.
Cheers,
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Reply By: Philip A - Tuesday, Sep 18, 2007 at 11:41

Tuesday, Sep 18, 2007 at 11:41
Re car kit an antenna.
The car kit is not as easy as some to use, as you have to insert the "d" plug in the side of the phone before putting it in the cradle and vice versa.
Otherwise its fine, you place it in the cradle and squeeze 2 buttons. To remove you press a different button.
The antenna plugs into the back of the phone, at the lower part of the rear. The antenna socket sticks up in the cradle, and is quite stable. I have read warnings on the ZTE forum not to use a patch directly into the phone( while not in a cradle) as it is too weak for it.
I think its fine.
Regard sPhilip A
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