hf radios

Submitted: Monday, Sep 17, 2007 at 21:03
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Hello - I'm new to all of this, so struggling with learning what's what. Looking at eBay to buy 2nd hand equipment - can anyone advise on Barrett 250 HF SSB Radio-Codan Selcall - would this be ok when I do get out there?
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Reply By: Olcoolone- Monday, Sep 17, 2007 at 21:24

Monday, Sep 17, 2007 at 21:24
Hello orange, the 250's are not a bad radio but are getting a bit old.

If buying of make sure the radio works on the VKS network.

About 12 months ago a heap of then came onto the market, I think they came from the W.A Government.

The problem with these radios was they were auctioned off with no channel chip in them, the 250's are hard to get parts for but you cannot get the chip so these radio's were only good for scrap.

If you find one with a chip you can reprogram it and you should not have problem.

Regards Richard

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Follow Up By: orange - Monday, Sep 17, 2007 at 21:45

Monday, Sep 17, 2007 at 21:45
Thanks for the advice. This one is reconditioned byBrisbane trader, supposedly with the lot.
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Nullagine) - Monday, Sep 17, 2007 at 23:29

Monday, Sep 17, 2007 at 23:29
the 250 is a great bullet proof unit the age is no problem we would change them to the new vehicle when the ute was stuffed. they are capable of all essential and non essential functions
autotune, rad tell sell etc etc
I picked mine and multi tap up for $600 and it will outlast my cruiser
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Follow Up By: orange - Tuesday, Sep 18, 2007 at 19:49

Tuesday, Sep 18, 2007 at 19:49
Thanks for the advice. I bought one on eBay - after reading all the good advice I received on this site.



















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Reply By: Mick - Monday, Sep 17, 2007 at 21:29

Monday, Sep 17, 2007 at 21:29
Barrett and Codan are two different makes of HF radios. Selcall is a feature found on UHF and HF radios and not a brand or model. It's like a breadmaker - everyone (including me) has it but noone uses it. There's a lot to instal and even more to learn about using them and they are really yesterday's technology when compared to a Satellite phone. With a sat phone you can connect to whoever you wish whenever you wish from wherever you wish and you don't have to put up with the foul mouthed radio operators asking what the 1036 is or where your 1020 is or giving you a big 1004!!
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Follow Up By: orange - Monday, Sep 17, 2007 at 21:49

Monday, Sep 17, 2007 at 21:49
I'd just act really dumb in that case. Thanks for the advice.
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Follow Up By: Oldsquizzy (Kununurra) - Monday, Sep 17, 2007 at 22:26

Monday, Sep 17, 2007 at 22:26
Have both satphone and 250 barrett...twice in the last six months have needed them and both times the sat phone was still looking for sats well after the problem had been sorted using the hf... They are putting up eight more sats and then maybe they will be the bee's knees..Think I will keep both... nice to have a backup.
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Follow Up By: orange - Monday, Sep 17, 2007 at 22:29

Monday, Sep 17, 2007 at 22:29
Thanks. I've taken the plunge and bought it. Now to learn to use it.
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Follow Up By: Oldsquizzy (Kununurra) - Monday, Sep 17, 2007 at 22:31

Monday, Sep 17, 2007 at 22:31
Join vks737 as well as they are helpful... Also good to have someone to call on in times of need.
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Follow Up By: Mick - Monday, Sep 17, 2007 at 22:33

Monday, Sep 17, 2007 at 22:33
Think you need a new phone Sqizzy - never have a problem with mine. Maybe try being daring for once and go out without a phone or a radio!!!! Try living on the edge and being a risk taker lolol
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Follow Up By: Oldsquizzy (Kununurra) - Monday, Sep 17, 2007 at 22:33

Monday, Sep 17, 2007 at 22:33
www.vks737.on.net
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Follow Up By: Oldsquizzy (Kununurra) - Monday, Sep 17, 2007 at 22:37

Monday, Sep 17, 2007 at 22:37
LOL....yeah mick....Trouble is I am born and bred up here.... and well into fifties... never needed a phone or radio for myself is all the tourists that now frequent our area....Did many a muster as a kid with out any radios and there sure as hell were'nt phones. buggar there a new invention aint they....
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Follow Up By: Member - Mark E (VIC) - Monday, Sep 17, 2007 at 22:52

Monday, Sep 17, 2007 at 22:52
Richard and Mick,

HF radio is an extremely useful piece of safety equipment for outback travel and the bloke selling those radios (David) is a good guy, honest and reliable. He also hangs out on the Codan Yahoo group.

I would have to agree with some of what you say, Mick, but disagree with some other things.......

HF...old technology.....perhaps, but it has been around a long time, is reliable, not reliant on satellites, which can malfunction and leave one without any comms whatsoever. Sat phones have their place and ideally one would travel with both Sat and HF, but for me, I prefer HF for a number of reasons:

1. I don't feel the need to make lots of phone calls whilst on holidays. But I can via RADTEL or BUSHPHONE if required.

2. HF has a form of 'community' with literally thousands of members, many of whom will be travelling the outback and other areas at the same time as you....in fact there may be someone closer to you than you think and this person may just be able to help you out in your moment of need. Believe me it has happened on many occasions. I have made a number of good friends in this 'community'.

3. Direct selcall access to the VKS 737 bases and the RFDS for emergencies/medical advice. Emergency services are also available via direct selcall via the VKS interconnects.

4. Low operating costs.

5. Tons of information during radio 'skeds' in relation to road conditions, weather, local information, campsite information etc...

Yes, there is a small learning curve, but with someone to help you out, you will be able to get the hang of using the radio in a couple of hours. It's not brain surgery.

Installation isn't that tough, one just needs to be aware of the issues surrounding cabling etc... it's worth having it done by someone who knows what they're doing.

There is absolutely NO "...foul-mouthed radio operators..." on HF, with the exception of the old CB network which is hardly used these days. Most of the fould language, "...10-4 good buddy..." garbage will be found on the UHF CB as one approaches major metropolitan areas...best to turn the UHF off in the cities. The operators, particulary on the most popular Hf 4WD network are all volunteers, many of whom travel the outback themselves. They do a very professional job, are courteous, helpful and provide and amazing service to thousands of travellers all over Australia. I'm sure any one of them would hate to be confused with "...the 10-4 good buddy brigade...".

Selcall is used extensively on HF. VKS 737 bases are all selcall equipped. Selcall can be used to call individual mobiles. Selcall (and telcall) is used extensively for RADTEL and other radio-telephone interconnect facilities....... not like the veritable breadmaker....sorry!

It is always a vigorous debate over which is better and personally I feel it's whatever the individual prefers as both technologies do the job. Certainly satphones are great...just pick them up and ring, just like the mobile. If you're not prepared to learn a little about HF, get a sat phone by all means. It's horses for courses.

Cheers,

Mark
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Follow Up By: Olcoolone- Monday, Sep 17, 2007 at 23:05

Monday, Sep 17, 2007 at 23:05
Hello Mark, we already use HF radio, an Icom IC-F7000 with a Codan 9350 autotune antenna on the VKS network and have a NEC S2 Optus Mobilesat phone mounted in the vehicle.

I also have a nearly new Codan 9323 local radio for sale if anyone is interested.

Regards Richard
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Nullagine) - Tuesday, Sep 18, 2007 at 01:18

Tuesday, Sep 18, 2007 at 01:18
alot to install????
I am a complete dunce and had mine in in less than 1 hour
As alot to use yeas sure getting the jargon and overs etc take some learning but in an emergency anyone can grab the mike on ch 2 and skwake down the mike and get there point accross
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Reply By: Member - Errol (York WA) - Monday, Sep 17, 2007 at 21:30

Monday, Sep 17, 2007 at 21:30
Just had a look on e-bay and they seem ok . Theres a remote head or normal head . Either one will be ok , depends on what you would like . I,ve been running a 250 for about 10 years now and have been told by some op's that my signal is better than some of the newer models . That dos'nt mean that thay will all be as good though . Cheeers Errol
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Follow Up By: orange - Monday, Sep 17, 2007 at 21:47

Monday, Sep 17, 2007 at 21:47
Wow! Thanks for checking it out. I was feeling a little lost with it all.
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Follow Up By: orange - Monday, Sep 17, 2007 at 22:32

Monday, Sep 17, 2007 at 22:32
I've taken the plunge and bought it. Now I have to learn how to use it. Once again, thanks for your help. This is my first question on Forum and I'm amazed at the excellent responses I've received. I'll have to join up.
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Reply By: Member - Shane D (QLD) - Tuesday, Sep 18, 2007 at 06:07

Tuesday, Sep 18, 2007 at 06:07
Hi Orange,
I bought a barrett 250 off ebay from a seller called underdunk(or similar) from Ipswich and found it to be a ripper of a set.
I also bought a multitap aerial (plus spring base) from the same seller and he gave me good tips on how to fit properly and after I had fitted it, told me to bring it back to make sure it was working at its premium, which I did, and found that the external shortening wire on the antenna was a bit dicky so got it replaced with another one the same length (very important).
Also came with CD with instructions on how to use.
The 250 is a basic set and WILL do what it needs to, and if tuned to its aerial, and fitted correctly, will work every bit as good as a new one, just no bells and whistles.
The whole set-up cost me a bit less than $1k by the time I had fitted(big wiring, fuse holders, coax cable for aerial, also you will have get membership from VKS 737, who also have a great deal of advise on fitting and is well worth the time researching their website.
I mounted my unit up onto cargo barrier (high) and the "head" was mounted on the gearbox tunnel on bracket I made.


Shane, a happy 250 owner.
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Follow Up By: orange - Friday, Sep 21, 2007 at 17:26

Friday, Sep 21, 2007 at 17:26
Shane, I'm also buying from underdunk - sounds like the same deal. He's helpful and informative. Thanks for the tips.
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Reply By: Member - Matt M (ACT) - Tuesday, Sep 18, 2007 at 08:17

Tuesday, Sep 18, 2007 at 08:17
Orange,

Glad you took the plunge and I hope it works OK for you. Like many others, I love the 'community' that you can tap into when you are travelling and it is amazing what useful information you can pick up just by regularly listening in to the scheds when you are travelling.

Having a professional install it will probably give you peace of mind, but I installed mine (a Barrett 550 with auto tune) with no difficulties and I am not technically minded. There is (was) an excellent DIY guide somewhere on this site which I found extremely helpful.

With regards to learning how to use it, read the guide that comes from VKS737 (if you go that way) and plunge in and have a go. The operators are unbelievably helpful and patient in getting you comfortable with use of the radio. I am no stranger to use of HF circuits through work, but these guys take all the time you need to help you out. My first sched on our trip last year (Charters Towers) the operator asked me questions about our plans and when he discovered I had two small children, he asked that they be allowed to do the next sched. He spent plenty of time with our kids and my wife on the circuit to make sure that they knew what they were doing. He was also keen to ensure that I had shown them how set up and tune the unit. A small investment of time which could potentially save a lot of heartache later on.

The bottom line is don't be embarrassed, use it and use it often and you will get fantastic, patient support from all on the network.

Cheers,

Matt.
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Follow Up By: Stu050 - Tuesday, Sep 18, 2007 at 08:48

Tuesday, Sep 18, 2007 at 08:48
X 2,
I am also a member of the VKS network, and cannot speak highly enough of them. All the operators are professional, courteous and knowledgable.

The spread of bases that the VKS network has gives total coverage of the Australian continent. Selcall is required to "wake up" the bases outside of sked times. As siad in a previous post, the operators are travellers as well, and have intimate knowledge of the outback.

I have a Codan 9323 and 9350 autotune in my car, and the range of these units (all HF, with the exeption of HF 27MHz CB) never ceases to amaze me. I am located in Cairns FNQ, and have spoken to the VKS base in Perth on occasions.

There are thousands of people in OZ using HF, once you have installed the unit in your vehicle and start using it, you will wonder how you managed previously without one.

Regards

Stu

VKS737 Q5050
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Reply By: Hillbilly123 - Thursday, Sep 20, 2007 at 20:36

Thursday, Sep 20, 2007 at 20:36
How does the Barrett 550 compare to the others spoken about here.
I am discussing buying one all set up, reconditioned and with an recon autotune aerial for a bit under 2k.
Worth it or not Advice please.
TIA
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Follow Up By: Member - Matt M (ACT) - Saturday, Sep 22, 2007 at 07:07

Saturday, Sep 22, 2007 at 07:07
Hillbilly,

I'm no expert on HF and haven't ever owned or used anything other than my 550. That said I like the radio and it has been very reliable.

The one you are looking at has a reconditioned aerial, make sure that it is the newer (dark grey) casing as opposed to the older (light grey) one. The older ones had limited strengthening around the join and were prone to cracking. Expensive to repair (believe me) about $400 for mine.

I would say that $2K is on the uppish side, bargain him down a bit would be my advice.

Cheers,

Matt.
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