No 17" AT tyres available for 120 series Prado?
Submitted: Sunday, Sep 23, 2007 at 07:32
ThreadID:
49954
Views:
7067
Replies:
7
FollowUps:
6
This Thread has been Archived
Member - Arkay (SA)
Our Prado needs some new tyres shortly & I want ATs with a 10 ply rating equivalent (stronger sidewalls for 4WD & caravan towing requirement), and a bit "chunkier" tread pattern than the originals. The original tyres are Dunlop AT 20 265x65xR17 112S and have done 45,000km with the LHS rear one getting a bit worn on the edges, but these have only a 6 ply equivalent rating and a highway orientated tread pattern.
The manufacturers minimum specification is a 112S rated tyre, the placard on the door also ONLY says 265x65xR17 size. I contacted my insurer about 265x70xR17 (BFGs, Coopers, etc.) and was told so long as the tyre meets or exceeds the road rules and also the minimum load & speed ratings in either a 65 or 70 profile, I would have no problem from them. Goodyear Silent Armours, for example only come in an R speed rated tyre. The only tyre I have been able to find is a Pirelli Scorpion 265x65xR17 112T, but these arenot available anywhere in Australia "for several months". Dunlop are said to be bringing out a new AT3 265x65xR17 112S or T rated tyre available from mid November 2007.
I would be interested to hear if anyone else has solved this problem which seems to centre around the speed ratings of AT tyres.
I am totally amazed that with the number of Prados with 17" tyres around I have found replacement tyres to be a problem.
Reply By: Member - Brenton H (SA) - Sunday, Sep 23, 2007 at 08:33
Sunday, Sep 23, 2007 at 08:33
I would think that quite a number of the members here and at lcool would be running LT 70 specs without worrying too much about the difference between S and R speed ratings. There is a school of thought that believes that you would be bloody unlucky to picked by the insurance Co for that minor difference (as compared to some way out tyres I have seen on 4WD's occasionally.) Mind you if push comes to shove then the Insurance bods have an issue they can possibly deny your claim on if the accident is at all tyre related. It's a matter of individual risk.
I changed early to D694's (which are 112S at 265/65/17) for around town and will handle the majority of 4W driving I need. These are not LT but are a good step up from the AT20's and rate highly in many reviews. Never had a problem with them and have taken them through the simpson and sturt stony desert big gibber country and the sharp shale stuff you get around the Flinders and
Arkaroola. They a good tyre in the sand as
well. Also have a set of silent armour in 265/70/17 that I keep for any thing that may require a more aggressive pattern. ...but probably don't need them. Will put them on full time when the 694's wear out.
A frind of
mine has Pirelli scorpion AT's on his cruiser and to my memory they are not LT? They also seem to be wearing quickly and has recent problems with slow leaks in 2 tyres and punctured one on what i would describe as a fairly minor dirt road. Just bad luck? hmm ...maybe?
AnswerID:
263530
Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (Qld) - Sunday, Sep 23, 2007 at 08:49
Sunday, Sep 23, 2007 at 08:49
Brenton
I was looking at them yesterday at the
Orange NSW Bridgestone . Also looked at the 693 at
Barmera, What took my eye was MADE IN AUSTRALIA, So when the tyres I have now need replaceing I know where I'll be going,
Doug
FollowupID:
525145
Follow Up By: StormyKnight - Sunday, Sep 23, 2007 at 09:13
Sunday, Sep 23, 2007 at 09:13
I went down a similar track not long ago, but luckily I have a 90 series with 16 inch rims.
However, my insurer, NRMA, required that the car be resisterable in NSW, which meant that going from 265/70R16s to 265/75R16s meant I needed an engineering certificate as the new tyres diameter exceeded the old by more than 15mm.
In addition the load index had to be equivalent or greater than the placard, but the speed rating does not.
In NSW the rating must be an N rating (140km/h) or higher & from memory, in Vic it only needs to be a K rating (110km/h). Also
this Cooper site suggests that the N rating applies to all of Australia.
If you fit a tyre however with a lower speed rating, you must also fit a label to your windscreen, indicating that the tyres currently on the vehicle.
According to the RTA, the tyre supplier must supply this label, however none of the supplies I talked to even new about it & some didn't even know about the certication requirement either!
Cheers
Richard
Wagga Wagga NSW
FollowupID:
525150
Reply By: Anthony (Vic) - Sunday, Sep 23, 2007 at 10:27
Sunday, Sep 23, 2007 at 10:27
I fitted 245/70 -17's on our prado. I had to get new rims as
well as the GX came only with 6inch rims. Have a look at my rig pic's if interested. Also fitted them on the camper using some 10mm spacers, which I turned up, as I don't like the off the shavle versions.
The 245/70-17 are 780mm dia so the speedo read much the same as the the standard tyres, which are about 776mm, depending which brand you buy. So will keep the insurance company happy. I'm not concerned with the speed rating, I'm not goind to go that fast anyway :-).
On the ply rating, from what I've read on the
forum, most of the LT tyres appear to only have 2 or 3 ply sidewalls. Other may have more but I doubt if they would come in a 17inch tyre.
cheers A
AnswerID:
263567
Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Sunday, Sep 23, 2007 at 14:34
Sunday, Sep 23, 2007 at 14:34
Speed rating for 4wd tyres (<4.5tonnes) in SA is 140kph - take no notice of the placard. Check the technical info bulletins on the
Toyo tyres website for full details state by state.
Most people I know have gone to the LT265/70R17 without dramas. Up to you how technical you want to be about a diameter that is just over when the tyre is new, and is totally legal when half worn! If you were pinged for this, you'd be the first.
AnswerID:
263604
Reply By: Muddy doe (SA) - Sunday, Sep 23, 2007 at 18:47
Sunday, Sep 23, 2007 at 18:47
Yep, just looked at the specs for the two AT sets that I have:
Cooper ATR - we use for highway and moderate off-road. LT265/R17 rated at 121R.
Goodyear MTR - we use for harder off-road work (love 'em!). LT265/R17 rated at 112P.
You can really feel when you have the Goodyears on when doing 110km/h on the freeway. Just that little bit less control than the Coopers, which are much more a road based tread pattern, though there is certainly no feeling of being OUT of control!
My insurance company have been advised about both these tyres and they had no issues.
Cheers
Muddy
AnswerID:
263631
Reply By: Member - 120scruiser (NSW) - Sunday, Sep 23, 2007 at 22:02
Sunday, Sep 23, 2007 at 22:02
I haven't checked the specs but I will be looking at the Toyo Opats when my grand treks are gone.
I use the MTR's in 265/70x17 for off road use as
well.
AnswerID:
263659
Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Sunday, Sep 23, 2007 at 23:32
Sunday, Sep 23, 2007 at 23:32
They are a good looking tyre. But I only know one person who has bought the 265/70R17 10ply OPATs on a Prado. He staked and had to replace 3 of them on the first trip into outback SA. He's an experienced 4wder, and was the odd one out in the convoy of vehicles on that trip. Maybe the sidewalls are a bit thin???????
FollowupID:
525276
Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Nullagine) - Monday, Sep 24, 2007 at 07:15
Monday, Sep 24, 2007 at 07:15
My 80 had 235x85 opats and they were dreadfull, tread blocks chipping and ripping off, 1 slashed sidewall and punctures every trip. i took them off after doing prob less than 10k with them
FollowupID:
525285
Reply By: Member - Philip S (SA) - Monday, Sep 24, 2007 at 11:42
Monday, Sep 24, 2007 at 11:42
I also have a Prado 120 TD 2005, and I put slightly oversize Cooper LT265/70R17's on from new. Pretty happy with them so far, have done 60k on them, and plenty tread left.
Am wondering though about availability of 265/70R17's (or 17" tyres generally for that matter) at really remote locations around the country. Any feedback from members on this?
AnswerID:
263712
Follow Up By: Member - 120scruiser (NSW) - Monday, Sep 24, 2007 at 20:57
Monday, Sep 24, 2007 at 20:57
When I did the simpson in 2005 and at Mt Dare Dave stated he had no 17 at all in his shed. Thats why I did the first trip on 16 inch MTR's. The second trip in 2007 was conducted on 17 inch MTR's. The 17 MTR wasn't available in 2005 hence the 16. Both trips had no dramas.
FollowupID:
525397
Follow Up By: Muddy doe (SA) - Monday, Sep 24, 2007 at 21:19
Monday, Sep 24, 2007 at 21:19
Yes, 2nd spare still a must when running this size.
If you get stuck you can get away with putting on a 16" rim with a 75 profile tyre on it to at least get mobile. Many
places would have some older 16" x 6 stud rims lying around that can be mated with a 75 or 80 profile tyre to get the same or similar rolling diameter as the 17" with 65 or 70 profile tyres. The big proviso however is that they can only be used on the rear axle due to brake caliper clearence issues on the front.
I would only use this if the alternative was to wait days for shipping of 17" tyres from somewhere far away!
Cheers
Muddy
FollowupID:
525402
Reply By: Robin Miller - Monday, Sep 24, 2007 at 16:09
Monday, Sep 24, 2007 at 16:09
Arkay
Check out Toyo Opats in LT265/70/17 121S
Mine are 10ply in 235/85/16 and have done about 100,000
on a Patrol.
Sidewalls are no stronger than similar IMHO.
Robin Miller
AnswerID:
263732