TV for caravan -LCD v CRT

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We wish to use an inverter to power our TV in the van and assumed an LCD would draw far less than a CRT. Local Retravision quoted me 45w for 34cm LCD and 57w for 34cm CRT. Is this logical, as I assumed an LCD would be about one third the draw of a CRT?
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Reply By: Keenycruiser - Monday, Sep 24, 2007 at 18:26

Monday, Sep 24, 2007 at 18:26
Hi billv or is it billy. Why not get a 12v LCD TV that they put in vans. No need for inverters just connect into your 12v supply.
Just a thought.
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Follow Up By: Mainey (WA) - Tuesday, Sep 25, 2007 at 18:09

Tuesday, Sep 25, 2007 at 18:09
To get the same picture quality of the 240v LCD TV's you need a really quick "refresh rate" and unfortunately the 12v LCD's don't have this atm.

I went down this path and tested a few 12v TV's, they were total crap, only good for 'slo motion' - not sport or fast moving pictures, when compared to 240v TV's running off my Inverter.

My Dell notebook has a far better picture quality display LCD screen than ANY 12v TV that I could find, in any price bracket.
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Monday, Sep 24, 2007 at 18:35

Monday, Sep 24, 2007 at 18:35
I've got a 10.4inch LCD monitor/TV that runs direct off 12volts (or 240V via a plugpack). Works fine as a TV.
Says 12V at 3.5amps on the back. But I measure 1.2amps at 13.8V when its turned on.
Its a cheapy off Ebay from Hong Kong that I was going to use for mapping but it didn't quite fit where I wanted it.
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Reply By: garrycol - Monday, Sep 24, 2007 at 20:44

Monday, Sep 24, 2007 at 20:44
I have a DSE 18" computer monitor/TV that runs off 12v no issues. Will work through a cigarette socket but would be better with heavier wiring from either the battery or junction box.
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Reply By: TD100 - Monday, Sep 24, 2007 at 21:10

Monday, Sep 24, 2007 at 21:10
i have a 15" telefunken 12v dc/240v plugpack LCD TV in our van and it works a treat,2A @ 13.8 volts.cheers Paul
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Reply By: Member - Roger B (VIC) - Monday, Sep 24, 2007 at 22:56

Monday, Sep 24, 2007 at 22:56
We're thinking of getting a notebook and an external (USB) TV card. I'm pretty uninformed on these things though, and not all that IT literate Any of you Gurus out there got any knowledge on this ?
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Follow Up By: disco1942 - Tuesday, Sep 25, 2007 at 18:53

Tuesday, Sep 25, 2007 at 18:53
If the main purpose of the notebook is to watch TV then forget it. The speakers are too small and you will have to make room for external ones. A dedicated TV will be much cheaper and easier to position. If you want to use the computer for other purposes it's odds on that your wife will insist on watching some rubbish when you wish to use the computer. You are far better carrying one of each.

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Reply By: billv - Tuesday, Sep 25, 2007 at 09:04

Tuesday, Sep 25, 2007 at 09:04
Thanks for the replies. Perhaps I should rephrase my query. Will a 34cm LCD TV use less power than a 34cm CRT TV when powered via an inverter? If so, by how much.
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Follow Up By:- Tuesday, Sep 25, 2007 at 11:02

Tuesday, Sep 25, 2007 at 11:02
It would not be 10 times, my gut feeling telling me about twice. But why in the earth I would bother with CRT in caravan where space is absolute premium? You cannot get better picture from CRT - all of them those day came from cheapest possibly Chinese factories and quality is absolute cr@p (well, to be honest it is not easy to find good LCD either). Plus CRT not as rigid as LCD when it came to vibration. Plus they heavier (i.e. need to put more attention when mounting), more likely for self-ignition and list is going on. If I would do this I would certainly to seek LCD with build-in DVD.
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Reply By: Rocky_QLD - Tuesday, Sep 25, 2007 at 11:00

Tuesday, Sep 25, 2007 at 11:00
We bought a 34cm Polaroid LCD TV for home, when I opened it up I found that it had a 12vDC power supply so I had to try it out on the C/T battery. Worked a treat and drew about 2.4 amps.

If you were to run a CRT TV through an invertor I am sure that wold draw more than 2.4A. I believe that up to a third of the power is used to operate the invertor.

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Follow Up By: disco1942 - Tuesday, Sep 25, 2007 at 18:56

Tuesday, Sep 25, 2007 at 18:56
The CRT TV I ditched consumed 4A on 12V. It would probably consume 5-6A working through an inverter.

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Follow Up By: disco1942 - Tuesday, Sep 25, 2007 at 18:56

Tuesday, Sep 25, 2007 at 18:56
The CRT TV I ditched consumed 4A on 12V. It would probably consume 5-6A working through an inverter.

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Reply By: billv - Tuesday, Sep 25, 2007 at 11:58

Tuesday, Sep 25, 2007 at 11:58
I wish I could start again with my query. We already have a CRT in the van (240v) and it's very good. But we wish to have TV when we are away from 240v which is often when we travel during winter. So the size of the inverter is important. I'm told that I'll need a much bigger inverter to operate (start up) a CRT than a LCD.
Once they are operating I don't think their amperage draw would be much different, but the start up draw on a CRT is (I'm informed) much greater than the start up draw on a LCD.
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Follow Up By:- Tuesday, Sep 25, 2007 at 12:38

Tuesday, Sep 25, 2007 at 12:38
Mate, I can not get what you are saying. LCD *WILL* consume much less power – for start-up as well as for running. So if you have LCD (without 12V input) in my opinion would be most logical invest into good inverter. Does not matter how you calculate it, good inverter still will be cheaper then bad inverter and bad CRT. And good inverter very useful thing anyway. If you do not like to mess with inverter, then as suggested before look at dedicated 12V LCD.
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Tuesday, Sep 25, 2007 at 12:57

Tuesday, Sep 25, 2007 at 12:57
Hi Billy

It is true that a CRT tv will draw significantly more power on start up than the LCD.

The base reason for this is that a CRT unit has a deguassing coil surrounding the tube which is controlled by a thermistor.
The thermistor warms up in a few seconds and basically turns off the AC current thru this coil , hence reducing the total power to very roughly 1/3.

Most invertors can withstand this peak load for a while anyway.

With the price of particularly square wave units so low and there size so small you should have no issue running that TV, and little reason for getting any invertor of less than 300w.


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Follow Up By: Mainey (WA) - Tuesday, Sep 25, 2007 at 18:25

Tuesday, Sep 25, 2007 at 18:25
..PURE sinewave Inverter ( will run laptop too )
..definitely FAN cooled ( stays much cooler )
..about 300 Watt ( reasonable capacity )
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Follow Up By: disco1942 - Tuesday, Sep 25, 2007 at 19:11

Tuesday, Sep 25, 2007 at 19:11
Don't waste your money on an inverter. Put that cash towards an LCD TV. You will find it takes up much less room both when stowed and when use. One of the good things we did was to ditch the old CRT TV, the LCD stows better and we have regained the use of half the shelf and draws less than 1/2 the 12V current.

See also my comments in Reply 7 of ThreadID: 49290

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Reply By: Mainey (WA) - Wednesday, Sep 26, 2007 at 00:16

Wednesday, Sep 26, 2007 at 00:16
All Inverters loose some current as a percentage of their total output, however the better quality Inverters loose under 10%, like anything you can buy cheap elcrappo products - but you get relevant elcrappo results.

This loss does NOT effect the running of the 240v product it is running.

The 'loss' is only counted as a loss in the battery consumption numbers, so it's only minuscule when compared to the consumption of the product, eg TV

That's why a "quality" Aux battery system is used to counter ALL the power consumption (loss's) from ALL accessories, including the fridge, lights & inverter etc.

Example:
OUTPUT POWER: 200W continuous - 600W surge
OUTPUT VOLTAGE: 240VAC +/- 2% ( PURE SINE WAVE )
EFFICIENCY : 96 %
Price: $264 delivered
These Inverters provides clean, silent 240V AC power for your mains appliances from 12 volt battery power and provides a PURE sine-wave output, which is the cleanest power available for those applications that require the very cleanest & purest in power. They are microprocessor controlled and have full electronic fault protection. They also have LED indicators to indicate Power and Fault conditions. The unit also features a very low standby current to save power.
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Reply By: billv - Wednesday, Sep 26, 2007 at 10:30

Wednesday, Sep 26, 2007 at 10:30
Many thanks to all, particularly Robin Miller. I now know that if we change our CRT for an LCD the power draw will be about two thirds less which determines, in part, the size of the inverter we'll purchase. Again, many thanks. And it's billV not billy.
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