Will this work ???

Submitted: Thursday, Sep 27, 2007 at 14:05
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I would like to run a waeco 50lt fridge 24/7 for 6 weeks.

My set up that can be changed, is a 75 amp hr deep cycle (BN70T) connected to a N 47 normal Battery, I would like to run the fridge as above off the deep cycle and charge it with a 1 kva gen set during the day, can I run the fridge while the battery is charging ? the battery charger is a Battery Link CHM20A 14000MA.

Will this work or do I need to change something? the N47 was a spare battery that fits in the space left in the compartment I have.

Thanks in advance Steve.
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Reply By: Mainey (WA) - Thursday, Sep 27, 2007 at 14:15

Thursday, Sep 27, 2007 at 14:15
Steve,
Yes, you can run a fridge on 12v batteries, while they are being charged.
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Reply By: Mandrake - Thursday, Sep 27, 2007 at 14:37

Thursday, Sep 27, 2007 at 14:37
Just as an alternative - for the greenies amongst us ..
That fridge runs at 45 watts 3.75 amps ? on 12 volts ?
A solar cell bigger than 45 watts would also do the trick ,
in a quiet , exhaust free way ... saving you noise , fuel and
fumes ... ( wishes he was going to the top end )

Hope my maths / electrics is OK..........
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Friday, Sep 28, 2007 at 16:33

Friday, Sep 28, 2007 at 16:33
Eeerrrr, NO.

A 45 watt panel ONLY puts that out while supplying an 18 volt load - 30 watts is more reasonable.

It will ONLY put out that much near the middle of the day on a clear day in summer - so you would only be able to run the fridge for a short time each day.

If you charge batteries form the panel, you don't get the same amount of power out.

But 45 watts is how much the fridge draws when it's running - which fortunately it doesn't do continuously except in extreme heat.
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Reply By: glids - Thursday, Sep 27, 2007 at 14:52

Thursday, Sep 27, 2007 at 14:52
Assuming you can run the fridge off 240V, an alternative that I think would be better is to use the gennie to charge the battery and at the same time run the fridge. This way the gennie/charger input to the battery is solely charging the battery and not shared with the fridge.

The charger is rated at 14 Amps, although the model number indicates maybe 20 amps. Allowing for 20A, 20A x 12V = 240W. Factoring in charger efficiency and conversion of W to VA, The 1 kVA gennie should be more than capable of running both.

Solar panel is possible (other reply) but no guarantee that you will get enough sunlight for long enough each day to charge the battery.
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Follow Up By: Steve from Top End Explorer Tours - Thursday, Sep 27, 2007 at 16:17

Thursday, Sep 27, 2007 at 16:17
Hey glids.

I have a last minute contract and have to use what I have EG: gen set as a charging unit, it's a borrowed fridge and is only 12v, this is why I asked the question can I charge and run at the same time.

Cheers Steve.
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Reply By: Mandrake - Thursday, Sep 27, 2007 at 15:08

Thursday, Sep 27, 2007 at 15:08
Just had a look at another thread which has a link to
http://www.kimberleykampers.com/ energy option - That
shows a nice table on watts / amps used for fridge etc
might help on the decision ...
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Reply By: Mikee5 (QLD) - Thursday, Sep 27, 2007 at 16:20

Thursday, Sep 27, 2007 at 16:20
Hi Steve, from what I have read on this forum, the 12v side of a genny does not do much to charge a battery. The gurus here usually say to use a 240 volt type of charger off the genny then you could also run the fridge off 240 at the same time. This is what I have read here, plus it is how I do things myself when the sun doesn't shine. Hope it helps, Mike.
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Reply By: Axel [ the real one ] - Thursday, Sep 27, 2007 at 16:51

Thursday, Sep 27, 2007 at 16:51
14 amp charger in , 50lt Waeco 3.75amp out , bulk amount of power , keep an eye out on the batt water levels however as you could just possibly over charge the batts if you keep the genny going all day , ,best case would be to run the genny for only 2-3hrs per day to charge the batts thru the batt charger and have the Waeco running off the 240v while the batts are charging to give you plenty of power o/nite.
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Reply By: obee - Thursday, Sep 27, 2007 at 19:19

Thursday, Sep 27, 2007 at 19:19
If you want to run the fridge while the battery is charging you should use a supply regulated to 13.8 or 14 volts. Reason being is that when the battery gets close to full the voltage supply will not keep rising. The cheapy chargers can run a fair bit higher like 16/18 volts and I wouldnt want to experiment with that on my fridge without getting advice from the manufacturer.

My aux charges through a 100 amp rated solonoid from the vehicle charging system and I put a 14 volt regulated 16 amp supply between the gennie 240 volts and the battery when we are not travelling each day. Just an hour or two per day depending on ambient temperature and how hard the fridge is working. I suppose I could run straight from the gennie 12 volt supply. I think its regulated but can easily check. I am rigged to use the 240v because we stay in caravan parks a lot and use their supply. I have to talk to the missus about that because we can save a bit on unpowered site ay.

I have given solar a bit of thought but I cant justify the outlay.

Owen

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Reply By: BorisK - Thursday, Sep 27, 2007 at 19:24

Thursday, Sep 27, 2007 at 19:24
With my work car I do it all the time and havent had any problems so far. But I'm not an expert in this. I have a Waeco in an Econovan with a bigger than standard cranker also connected to a large Deka dual purpose battery via 6mm wire. The fridge is on all the time unless I'm transfering it to the Prado for trips. While at work I sometimes connect the Jaycar 4 stage 16amp Smartcharger to recharge with the fridge running. I connect the charger to one battery and next time I charge I connect to the other battery. Seems to work fine so far.
Cheers Boris
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Reply By: farcall - Friday, Sep 28, 2007 at 11:43

Friday, Sep 28, 2007 at 11:43
Steve, I have the same charger as you and I hook it up to the battery and switch it on. I run a 50L waeco as a fridge and a 35L as a freezer and have never had any trouble keeping charge up.
Regards Farcall.
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Reply By: Member - Pesty (SA) - Friday, Sep 28, 2007 at 12:53

Friday, Sep 28, 2007 at 12:53
Steve,
I run my 110 waeco 24/7 on 2 90 ah sealed lead acid calcium batteries, and plug it in every night when i get home.
I have a 3 stage charger hard wired into the vehicles 12v system, so start each day with near fully charged setup, and when camping without power i do it in the daytime if needed.
You can even kick the fridge up a couple of dots while charger is working and then turn it down when you switch it off.
The gennie will be best for what you are doing.

Cheers mate, have a good one
Pesty
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Follow Up By: Member - Pesty (SA) - Friday, Sep 28, 2007 at 12:58

Friday, Sep 28, 2007 at 12:58
Forgot to mention these battery's are my crank/accessory battery's hard wired together, and i have run this system for over 5 years.
I get about 2 - 2.5 years from the battery's, then throw them away and for around $300 put 2 new matching units in and go again.

Cheers Pesty
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Reply By: Steve from Top End Explorer Tours - Friday, Sep 28, 2007 at 16:48

Friday, Sep 28, 2007 at 16:48
Thanks for your replies, I have set up the camp and I will run the gen set for a tank of fuel each day, and hopefully this will give me enough charge in the batteries to keep the fridge running for the rest of the time.

Cheers Steve.
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