LR Discovery TD broken tappet adjustment screw.........

Submitted: Wednesday, Oct 03, 2007 at 09:58
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Not really a question just a bit of info / awareness, driving around on Sunday,pulled up at a set of traffic lights, waiting for the lights to change and the engine of my 98 2.5TD Discovery started missing, developed a violent vibration but continued to run with a distinct popping noise which caused the rubber tube between the intercooler and the inlet manifold to "shake" / pulse. I had to get the old girl recovered back to home, in my profile pix you can see what I found, the exhaust valve tappet adjustment screw on number two cylinder had broken. I've since checked all the others for cracks to no avail. I'm putting eight new ones in, at $10 each a relatively cheap repair considering what I was thinking whilst sitting on the side of the road waiting for the RAC truck.
Has anybody else had the same or heard of this happening, this appeared to be a first for the local Rover parts dealer. The vehicle has done 223,000 klms. Might be worth a check if you have one, I suspect the damage could of been a lot worse had I been at speed and the part had fallen into the engine, luckily the broken bit was resit peacefully inside one of the cavities in the head.
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Reply By: Redback - Wednesday, Oct 03, 2007 at 11:19

Wednesday, Oct 03, 2007 at 11:19
Might be worth popping into AULRO to see if any other 300TDi owners have had this problem.

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Reply By: Member - joc45 (WA) - Wednesday, Oct 03, 2007 at 11:25

Wednesday, Oct 03, 2007 at 11:25
All dealers say "this is the first occurrence of this that we know of..." - LOL! Just like Nissan with their 3.0 diesels!

Lucky it happended near home, not out in the wilderness.
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Reply By: furph - Wednesday, Oct 03, 2007 at 14:15

Wednesday, Oct 03, 2007 at 14:15
Martyn.
I cant see the pic because I am not a member!
However, I do have a '97 tdi, is yours the last of the 300's, or a td5?
Where did the screw break, directly beneath the rocker arm, at the ball end....? Can you elaborate please?
There are a few reasons, particularly with the 300tdi, that can cause this.
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Follow Up By: disco driver - Wednesday, Oct 03, 2007 at 14:40

Wednesday, Oct 03, 2007 at 14:40
Hi furph,

Can you please elaborate on the reasons for this breakage so that others may benefit from your knowledge and perhaps be able to prevent the same occurring on their vehicles.

Thanks

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Follow Up By: pepper2 - Wednesday, Oct 03, 2007 at 14:56

Wednesday, Oct 03, 2007 at 14:56
click on members rig and profile anyone can do this and you will see the part
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Follow Up By: Redback - Wednesday, Oct 03, 2007 at 14:56

Wednesday, Oct 03, 2007 at 14:56
There ya go, it is in his rig profile not on the post.



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Follow Up By: Martyn (WA) - Wednesday, Oct 03, 2007 at 18:17

Wednesday, Oct 03, 2007 at 18:17
Thanks Baz
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Follow Up By: Martyn (WA) - Wednesday, Oct 03, 2007 at 18:23

Wednesday, Oct 03, 2007 at 18:23
Furph,
Mines one of the last 300TDIs, not a TD5. Tell me what the reasons are, for me it appeared random. Had all the others crack detected no issues found. Fourth valve in from the front of the engine is the one that broke if that tells you any more. Checked all the pushrods all straight, checked the valve clearances all good, couldn't check the broken one for obvious reasons. One thing I did find was slight pitting in the face of the rocker arm, nothing on any of the other seven.
Any help gratefully received. Thanks in anticipation.
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Follow Up By: furph - Thursday, Oct 04, 2007 at 07:48

Thursday, Oct 04, 2007 at 07:48
Thanks Martyn.
If it had been td5, I could not help. However (opinion only, very difficult to prove conclusively).
1. There may have been a metallogenic flaw in the screw. In which case you were simply unlucky.
2. A small piece of metal/rock or other very hard material was injested by the engine, was between valve head and piston as piston went over tdc and result as occurred.
In the 300, when the timing belt breaks it bends pushrods, breaks rocker arms and adjusting screws and can lift the rocker arm shaft by stripping the threads on the holding down studs.
3. If the bearings wear/collapse in the timing belt idler wheels the timing gradually gets sufficiently out that the pistons
will "kiss" the valve heads at near tdc. Because this is a gradual deterioration the sound of the pistons touching the valves may not be noticed until too late.
The result from this is usually the rocker arm lifting as above.
Because the valve head is exactly parallel to the piston top, actual valve damage does not usually happen,
My feeling is that scenario 2 is the most likely. The fact that it was under the exhaust valve probably has no relevance.
Whilst you were replacing the screw, did you check the small
caps on top of the valve stems?
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Follow Up By: Martyn (WA) - Thursday, Oct 04, 2007 at 09:13

Thursday, Oct 04, 2007 at 09:13
Furph,
The parts arrived yesterday I haven't fitted them as yet and no I haven't checked the cap on top of the valve stem, thanks very much for reminding me, I was focused on the failure of the screw, from what I recall everything looked the same so at a first glance without specifically checking I would say that it's still there. I hope so that would be a bit ugly if it has fallen off.............
Again thanks for prompting me to check.
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