driveline problems
Submitted: Saturday, Oct 06, 2007 at 09:08
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snowy7
Hi all, I recently had the Uni Joints replaced on the rear driveline shaft of my FZJ80R at part of a service. I also had the front rotors replaced as
well as the hand brake adjusted. On return I had terrible vibration problems which wouldn't allow me to drive over 80Kph after taking it back they (mechanics) sent the shaft off to be balanced and said that the shaft was unbalanced and bent!! I have it back now but stil have minor problems at some low speeds and at just over 100Kph. Has any one else had these problems and would it have been the shaft (I had NO problems at all before service)
Cheers
Reply By: Topcat (WA) - Saturday, Oct 06, 2007 at 09:25
Saturday, Oct 06, 2007 at 09:25
Hi Snowy, in all my years of 4WDriving I've never come across a problem like the one you have described. To bend a tailshaft the vehicle would have had to be involved in an incident where the tailshaft encountered a terrific amount of shock. Normally the replacement of Uni-joints shouldn't involve rebalancing & as you explain that there was no problem prior to the service. I would image that whoever did the service stuffed up the job of on the tailshaft. Cheers
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Reply By: Member - WORM (VIC) - Saturday, Oct 06, 2007 at 09:30
Saturday, Oct 06, 2007 at 09:30
Snowy came across similar problem the other day the customer sent his vehicle in for unijoints after he had a
suspension lift. Uni joints were replaced by mechanic and vibration still there. On removal of tailshaft I had noticed the yolk end was bent from being hit with hammer to get uni caps out and and the uni was impossible to turn on the angles by hand. I had a new yolk fitted to the end and fitted more new unis and vibration gone.
Most driveline vibrations are caused by the following things:
1. Driveline out of phaze(Could be your problem)
2. Poor Driveline angle (Can happen after
suspension lift)
3. Faulty Uni joints/Centre bearing/Bent shaft
4. Rear tyre Compound to hard causing harmonics back through tailshaft.
Cheers Worm.
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Reply By: Steve from Top End Explorer Tours - Saturday, Oct 06, 2007 at 09:40
Saturday, Oct 06, 2007 at 09:40
I bet London to a brick the the hand brake is adjusted to tight.
Cheers Steve.
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Follow Up By: snowy7 - Saturday, Oct 06, 2007 at 10:03
Saturday, Oct 06, 2007 at 10:03
Hi steve,
Do you have any idea how this would cause the vibration?
I will go and loosen it off and see what happens. Cheers
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Follow Up By: Steve from Top End Explorer Tours - Saturday, Oct 06, 2007 at 11:05
Saturday, Oct 06, 2007 at 11:05
I adjusted
mine to tight once and it vibrated the sh1t out of the car once I backed it off no problem, I new it was that as It was the only work I did on it that day.
Cheers Steve.
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Follow Up By: snowy7 - Saturday, Oct 06, 2007 at 11:08
Saturday, Oct 06, 2007 at 11:08
Interesting, one more question was the adjustment you made on the handbrake lever or at the rear end? (apprently they had to take the rear
wheels off to adjust!)
Thanks
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Follow Up By: Steve from Top End Explorer Tours - Saturday, Oct 06, 2007 at 11:15
Saturday, Oct 06, 2007 at 11:15
Rear
wheels, You don't get out of it that easy. LOL
I think the problem lies in the fact that the shoes grab and as it turns there are springs involved it lets go and then grabs again and so on.
Ideally when you adjust them up you should do it till it grabs and then back it off 3/4 times.
Cheers Steve.
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Follow Up By: snowy7 - Saturday, Oct 06, 2007 at 12:01
Saturday, Oct 06, 2007 at 12:01
Thanks steve I will have a look and let you know how I got on.
Snowy
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Saturday, Oct 06, 2007 at 12:13
Saturday, Oct 06, 2007 at 12:13
Snowy,
Instructions for adjusting handbrake are
here.
I back
mine off 5 notches at the drum each side.
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Follow Up By: snowy7 - Saturday, Oct 06, 2007 at 12:33
Saturday, Oct 06, 2007 at 12:33
Thanks for that Phil
Thats a lot easier than following my manual
Snowy
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Follow Up By: snowy7 - Sunday, Oct 07, 2007 at 13:34
Sunday, Oct 07, 2007 at 13:34
OK Steve (and Phil) Handbrake adjusted I do think that they has been some improvement especially in the low K area driving a lot smoother (had to tell on some of the roads here in SA) Do have a small vibration when up to 100Ks but it is nominal. Gets worse the faster you go (I was only at 120 momentarily Officer) a big thanks to all that reply. I will keep you posted.
Snowy
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Follow Up By: snowy7 - Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 18:19
Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 18:19
G'day Phil,
Well the problem is still getting to me so I had Toyo have a look at it. They told me the handbrake had been ajusted incorrectly and I had them do it "properly" lo and behold the harmonic vibration has disappeared!! they also noticed that the driveshaft did not have enough grease in the uni joints the vibration has improved somewhat but still persistant. next two choices are to rotated prop shaft and then if nothing taking the shaft to someone myself and get them to check it out (stuffed uni's)
Cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 19:37
Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 19:37
Snowy,
Thanks for providing the feedback. Sounds like its pretty much sorted now. Must admit that I wouldn't normally consider the handbrake as a cause of vibration, but we learn every day!
Cheers
phil
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Reply By: Member - joc45 (WA) - Saturday, Oct 06, 2007 at 13:20
Saturday, Oct 06, 2007 at 13:20
Hi Snowy,
one can get this problem if the yokes are re-installed 180deg out of alignment; ie, the shaft is factory-balanced for a particular alignment, and changing that will upset the balance.
I had the problem in a car once when I changed the uni joints and forgot to note the alignment before taking them apart.
Gerry
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Reply By: chocolate teapot - Saturday, Oct 06, 2007 at 16:16
Saturday, Oct 06, 2007 at 16:16
hi snowy
from what i understand you were driving your truck w/o vibrations and had uni joints replaced. After repair vibrations occur.
High probability it was yr mechanic not marking components. It is then next to impossible to reassemble them in correct/original positions and therefore for shaft to rotate in balance.
Very sceptical about mech sending your tailshaft out for a balance - sounds a bit like excuse number 321 - he was probably good enough to charge you for the balance too.
Nothing that should have been done to replace uni joint bearings should have changed a previously balanced shaft - a big hammer to remove bearings and incorrect assembly would of course be an exceptions.
Be interested to know if the handbrake readjust fixes the problem
hope this helps
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Reply By: Member - Ian H (NSW) - Saturday, Oct 06, 2007 at 20:19
Saturday, Oct 06, 2007 at 20:19
Check your handbrake adjustment. I over did
mine once and got similar symptoms. Might sound silly but it might just be the answer. Good luck, keep us posted with the result.
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Follow Up By: Member - Ian H (NSW) - Saturday, Oct 06, 2007 at 20:22
Saturday, Oct 06, 2007 at 20:22
Whoops, should have read further down before posting my words of wisdom.
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