Electric windows

Submitted: Tuesday, Oct 09, 2007 at 08:00
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Hi, I heard recently of a wiring mod to allow you to use the electric windows without the key in the ignition. It was done in a new Cruiser tray top and the auto elctrician charged him a couple of hours labour to do the job. Seemed a bit much to me.
Anyone know the mod for a 2007 Nissan Patrol diesel ?
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Reply By: Willem - Tuesday, Oct 09, 2007 at 08:07

Tuesday, Oct 09, 2007 at 08:07
I suppose it can be done. Just look at the wiring diagram in the Manual(I assume you have bought a Manual) and see where the windows are powered from. Then rewire the relay to the battery and to an independant switch. Will probably take a couple of hours of mucking around. If you can afford a 2007 Nissan you should be able to afford a professional to do the job for you...lol
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Reply By: Mike Harding - Tuesday, Oct 09, 2007 at 08:29

Tuesday, Oct 09, 2007 at 08:29
You will void the warranty on some, possibly all, areas of the electrical system.

There is a safety aspect here too: about two years ago (in Oz) a small child was strangled in a tragic accident with a power window, I cannot recall the exact circumstances but think the child was playing in the car whilst the parents unloaded shopping. If removing the keys prevents the windows being operated that must be a good thing if you have children around.

Mike Harding
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Follow Up By: Member - andrew B (Kununurra) - Tuesday, Oct 09, 2007 at 09:43

Tuesday, Oct 09, 2007 at 09:43
Agree on the kids thing Mike....one thing I like about the wife's commadoor that I don't like about the nissan is the auto up/down on the drivers window. the commadoor will only go down at the touch of the button, the Nissan will go up with one flick, possibly trapping the child out of reach of the button.

Keys out is a good thing. I would like them to work on acc rather than the ign on, but keys out no drama's (with windows or a joyride)

Cheers Andrew
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Reply By: Redback - Tuesday, Oct 09, 2007 at 09:51

Tuesday, Oct 09, 2007 at 09:51
No point really and i'm assuming this mod is for that time you go off the road into water.

Unless you turn the ignition off (why would you anyway) when you go into the water, why would you need them to work with the ignition off ??

Electric windows work under water as long as the ignition is on.

Do what we do, if offroad drive with the windows down.

Baz.
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Reply By: Member - Captain (WA) - Tuesday, Oct 09, 2007 at 10:16

Tuesday, Oct 09, 2007 at 10:16
Hi GeeTee,

I have done this to my 2003 GU and it works a treat. I have also installed a switch to swap between modes as the Nissan system draws something like 2 amps when not in use. Don't know why but it does and if you don't drive the vehicle every few days you will end up with a flat battery.

I have a word doc that I obtained somewhere off the net that i can email you. But simply put, you supply a fused permanent 12V supply to the acc 12V supply that feeds the power window control circuit.

As for a couple of hours to do the work - only if you are blind, have one hand and no thumbs!!! I did my B-I-L in under 5 minutes, but he didn't want the switch (which he regretted a few weeks later when he didn't use the car for a week).

Cheers

Captain

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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Tuesday, Oct 09, 2007 at 10:36

Tuesday, Oct 09, 2007 at 10:36
By taking a permanent 12V feed to the electric windows I can see no reason why it wouldn't "backfeed" through the windows fuse to all other equipment which is isolated at the same time as the windows ie. you are defeating the accessory and/or the ignition switch - I don't know how Nissan wires them? The fact that you have a mystery 2 amps being used would appear to support this.

Doing the above may or may not cause problems with the electrical system of the vehicle - without doing a full analysis it's impossible to say. To do this properly you should fit a diode or automatic isolating relay to prevent backfeed - if you use a diode... make it a _big_ one.

Personally I'd just leave the system as it is.

Mike Harding
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Follow Up By: Member - Captain (WA) - Tuesday, Oct 09, 2007 at 11:16

Tuesday, Oct 09, 2007 at 11:16
Quite correct Mike, hence why I shorted out the original fuse so no feedback would occur.

I did state above that my description above was "put simply" so you could get an idea of the mod. I also said I could send a word doc describing the lot for those interested...

As for the mystery 2 amps - it is only from the power windows and i checked this before doing the mod. Note that it may be far less than 2 amps, but it is not small enough to be inconsequential. I did this years ago and going from memory here.

Cheers mate

Captain
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Reply By: Member - 'Lucy' - Tuesday, Oct 09, 2007 at 10:37

Tuesday, Oct 09, 2007 at 10:37
Why is it than when a person asks a simple question on this forum that a simple Yes or No as an answer will suffice ; a majority of the responses will always be in relation to why that person COULDN'T or SHOULDN'T do what was queried in the first place.

If they wanted to know why the COULDN'T or SHOULDN'T do it, then thats what they will ask.

When I become president of the 'next world' - social engineers will be exterminated (LOL)
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Follow Up By: Member - GeeTee (NT) - Tuesday, Oct 09, 2007 at 10:50

Tuesday, Oct 09, 2007 at 10:50
Thank you ! !
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Tuesday, Oct 09, 2007 at 15:08

Tuesday, Oct 09, 2007 at 15:08
I'd like to know the best way to rob a bank?
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Follow Up By: Scoey (QLD) - Tuesday, Oct 09, 2007 at 15:53

Tuesday, Oct 09, 2007 at 15:53
What you need Mike is a set of the banks "blueprints". These are quite easy to come by if the movies are correct. Now once you have them, you'll notice they will have invariably built the vault above some sort of stormwater pipe, large enough to get some heavy equipment into. You wait till they go home for the day, set off the alarms a couple of times, so they think it's the system playing up and turn the alarm system off then you bore up through the bottom of the vault and make off with the millions and millions of dolalrs they will undoubtably be in there! :-)

And you're welcome for the help! ;-)

Cheers
Scoey!
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Follow Up By: Member - Oldplodder (QLD) - Tuesday, Oct 09, 2007 at 16:18

Tuesday, Oct 09, 2007 at 16:18
Yes
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Follow Up By: Member - 'Lucy' - Tuesday, Oct 09, 2007 at 16:19

Tuesday, Oct 09, 2007 at 16:19
Mr Harding ! I know what your up to:-

You want a Mike Doll R & D'd just like the Boonie and Warnie dolls, only that yours will be full of 'social engineering pins'.

Keep this type of talk up and you will have taken the heat completely off of me and Willem as well.

Go! Mike
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Follow Up By: Hairy (NT) - Tuesday, Oct 09, 2007 at 18:52

Tuesday, Oct 09, 2007 at 18:52
Lucy,
Taken what heat off???
Doesnt have anything with you doing 100km in a 40km zone showing no respect to on comming traffic and endangering yourself and all other motorists on the road (even if there isnt any)...Does it? HaHaHaHaHa
Cheers
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Tuesday, Oct 09, 2007 at 19:14

Tuesday, Oct 09, 2007 at 19:14
Having worked on the software (and hardware) for one of the major alarm system in Europe, the USA and here (think I still have the source code somewhere) I don't think the alarm system will be a problem - so all I need now is someone who knows how to overcome the physical locks on the vaults - any takers?

Mike Harding
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Follow Up By: Member - 'Lucy' - Tuesday, Oct 09, 2007 at 19:54

Tuesday, Oct 09, 2007 at 19:54
Hairy

Shoosh! will you - the 'scrooby-ites' are looking elsewhere at the moment (LOL)

Also its a matter of pure subjective conjecture attempting to describe what I was doing, when sedately driving my motor at a 100kph.
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Tuesday, Oct 09, 2007 at 20:00

Tuesday, Oct 09, 2007 at 20:00
Why is it that when someone asks a question about how to do something, and then a reply is posted about possible consequences of doing it that the average person wouldn't have thought of, we will see a post questioning the need for the "off-topic" additional information ????
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Follow Up By: Member - 'Lucy' - Tuesday, Oct 09, 2007 at 21:58

Tuesday, Oct 09, 2007 at 21:58
Because thats 'Show Biz' and there is no prize for seconds.
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Follow Up By: Member - Christopher P (NSW) - Tuesday, Oct 09, 2007 at 23:09

Tuesday, Oct 09, 2007 at 23:09
Argh depends if it is a glass relocker or standard, you can't just fill them with water as they leak the trusty safes!!! you could try a core drill or maybe some thermit!!!
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Follow Up By: Member - 'Lucy' - Wednesday, Oct 10, 2007 at 12:56

Wednesday, Oct 10, 2007 at 12:56
Mike (H) and Chris (P)

Arrrh! when you two have figured out a plan, let me know and I may 'invest' in it LOL
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Follow Up By: Member - 'Lucy' - Wednesday, Oct 10, 2007 at 12:57

Wednesday, Oct 10, 2007 at 12:57
Ooops! - should read 'business Plan'
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Reply By: Robin Miller - Tuesday, Oct 09, 2007 at 11:01

Tuesday, Oct 09, 2007 at 11:01
Hi GeeTee

With my 2002 GU the wiring is such that the windows only go down when key is in and the ignition is on, and used to be a real pain.

As per other posts if wired straight it triggers a latch up relay and permanently draws approx 300ma. Mind you this is solvable with more wiring.

My solution to this problem was to change the wiring such that the windows could be wound up/down whenever the key was in the accessory position.
This involved resoldering & moving 1 wire located in the main relay pack near fuses.

If this sounds suitable for your car can post more info - remember doing a post on the patrol site and some others found this quite effective.

Robin Miller


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Reply By: spinifex - Tuesday, Oct 09, 2007 at 12:41

Tuesday, Oct 09, 2007 at 12:41
Hi GeeTee

I have instructions for a simple mod that only powers up the drivers side window controls whilst the key is off.

PM me if you are interested.

Regards
Spinifex
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Follow Up By: Member - GeeTee (NT) - Tuesday, Oct 09, 2007 at 13:18

Tuesday, Oct 09, 2007 at 13:18
Yep, I'm interested in that.

Pse email to me.

GeeTee
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Follow Up By: spinifex - Wednesday, Oct 10, 2007 at 00:24

Wednesday, Oct 10, 2007 at 00:24
Couldn’t get the PM to work so will post it here.

The mod is fairly straight forward, cut wire A, join to wire B, all done in the control panel that your right knee rests on. This provides (key off) power to only the driver’s side control panel.

This way I can leave a couple of the windows down a bit, but keep the drivers window all the way up for added security from button pressers.

Any Autolec will be able to work it out in 2 minutes flat. (Whole job takes under twenty minutes) the description below should assist anyone who would be able to nut it out anyway.

The padded part of the arm rest clips off, this exposes some screw so that you can remove the top of the concole. Flip the console over so that you are viewing it from the under side. (It will be sort of hanging on the wiring loom anyway)

Now I assume that you are now standing beside the open door facing forward, looking at the underside of the concole.

Starting at the top left of the main plug the third position to the right should be a white wire with a black stripe this is your power wire (one of the thicker wires) Check and confirm with a test light that you have power when the key is off. You need to splice into this wire to pick up power and connect it to the wires identified below. (Leave a tail about 4 inches long)

Starting at the bottom left of the same plug the forth position to the right (Red wire with yellow stripe, thin wire.) and the fifth position (All white wire, thick)
These two wires need to be cut and joined together (on the plug side) along with the tail from the power wire above.

The two remaining cut wires that disappear into the loom remain unjoined and can be taped up and tucked away neatly.

I soldered all my joins, but I will leave it up to you how to make the connection.

Have fun
Spinifex


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It was easy to follow when I did it to my 2000 GU. By the way.....as far as splicing into the power wire is concerned, what I did was to use a sharp scalpal and make 2 cuts around the insulation, about 3mm apart. I then cut the insulation between the 2 circular cuts and peeled off that small bit of insulation. It was then just a case of winding the bared end of the 4" long extra wire around this power wire and soldering it. (I HATE those "scotch-locks" thingos with a passion, but you could use one of them to do the job if you like). I then joined all 3 wires together and soldered the joint. Cover the bared ends with either insulation tape or use liquid insulation tape (from Jaycar etc). End quote

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Follow Up By: Skippy In The GU - Wednesday, Oct 10, 2007 at 06:49

Wednesday, Oct 10, 2007 at 06:49
Could I also have a word doc for the mod too please, Some cars like Commodores have power to windows 10 or so seconds after key is turned off, They must have some type of delayed power source

Cheers
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Wednesday, Oct 10, 2007 at 20:27

Wednesday, Oct 10, 2007 at 20:27
It's probably via CANbus control - I _strongly_ suggest you don't mess with it.

CANbus

Mike Harding
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Reply By: Member - Mike DID - Tuesday, Oct 09, 2007 at 20:05

Tuesday, Oct 09, 2007 at 20:05
It's a One Minute job in a Pajero.

- Open the Fuse/Relay panel under the Dash
- Look at the layout Diagram to find the Power Window Relay
- Remove the relay.
- Wind several turns of wire around the two large connectors
- Replace the relay

All the current flows through exactly the same Fusible links and fuses as before.

The green LED at the Lock switch is now permanently on, but it draws minimal current.

If you have young children in the car normally - don't do it.
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Reply By: Member - R Send - Wednesday, Oct 10, 2007 at 18:12

Wednesday, Oct 10, 2007 at 18:12
Mike Harding,

Why do you still have available source code for a security system that you worked on - isn't it someone else's Intellectual Property?
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Wednesday, Oct 10, 2007 at 18:31

Wednesday, Oct 10, 2007 at 18:31
No it isn't. You need to look a little more carefully at the law surrounding ownership of software when one is not an employee of the company/person commissioning that software and specific agreements have not been signed between the parties (which they often aren't) apportioning ownership to the commissioner. I own an awful lot more software than many people realise.

Mike Harding
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