Toyota Recall & Possible Rip Off
Submitted: Wednesday, Oct 10, 2007 at 23:25
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Trekkie (Member - WA)
There have been other posts similar to this, but these are factual examples.
Got a letter from Toyota about a month ago about the front disc brake rotor retaining bolts on my 100S - so I called today to make a time for the service.
Not wanting to be surprised when I take the truck in next week, I asked what the costs would be if they find any other problems.
Their first answer was that if the pads were worn below a certain level they would not do the warranty unless I agreed to them replacing the pads. With some more questions, they agreed that this was not the case, that they would do the recall work and report to me on any required work and at my option would do the extra work.
They then said that if the Front rotor discs needed machining and the pads needed replacing I would be up for $604 (total for both).
So I called my Toyota specialists who have been doing my servicing since the car was out of warranty. Their price for machining and pads - $283.
Reply By: stocky - Wednesday, Oct 10, 2007 at 23:39
Wednesday, Oct 10, 2007 at 23:39
Well mine is going in for the recall - they can shove the bill as far as they like - NO extra work authorised
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Reply By: stevesub - Thursday, Oct 11, 2007 at 04:38
Thursday, Oct 11, 2007 at 04:38
Had ours done and the front brakes must have been OK as we had no extra cost. Toyota had the vehcile for half a day.
Stevesub
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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Thursday, Oct 11, 2007 at 12:34
Thursday, Oct 11, 2007 at 12:34
Same here .
Willie
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Follow Up By: TD100 - Thursday, Oct 11, 2007 at 20:42
Thursday, Oct 11, 2007 at 20:42
here here,i also had
mine done a few months ago and my pads are about 75% worn but never said boo about them!go figure?cheers Paul
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Reply By: Kiwi Ray - Thursday, Oct 11, 2007 at 05:49
Thursday, Oct 11, 2007 at 05:49
Hi Guys
I can not see where the dealers can ask to machine and or replace rotors and say that they need to do this and fit new pads.
These trucks are only a few years old and should not require new rotors for many years. for the higher use trucks 70/80000 ks a new set of pads. just the cost of the new pads, they already have the old ones out, so, put new ones in.
I have a number of 80# trucks in my company some have over 400000 ks on two off and one at 350000 the other aremuch newer,no new rotors and no rotor machining has been done.
I would go and ask for the bolts and get your local machanic to fit them, or buy the bolts it would be a lot cheaper than what you are being quoted
Ray
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Reply By: Wayne (NSW) - Thursday, Oct 11, 2007 at 06:00
Thursday, Oct 11, 2007 at 06:00
Trekkie,
I was told the same thing about the brake pads and not releasing the vehicle if it was not safe to do so.
If the brake pads were worn to a certain size, then they would say the vehicle was not safe to drive and new brake pads would have to be fitted before the vehicle could be released back to me.
A bit heavy handed I thought, but just think if the pads were worn and I did drive the vehicle and I did have an accident. This has a lot to do with duty of care...
What I did was to have a look at the brake pads, they were fine, and I had no trouble when the vehicle was picked up after the recall work was done.
If you think that the brakes might need doing and can get it done cheaper than Toyota have quoted, do the work before the vehicle goes in for the recall.
Wayne
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Follow Up By: Skippy In The GU - Thursday, Oct 11, 2007 at 07:30
Thursday, Oct 11, 2007 at 07:30
They can't stop you from towing it away on the back of towtruck
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Follow Up By: AdlelaideGeorge - Thursday, Oct 11, 2007 at 08:23
Thursday, Oct 11, 2007 at 08:23
mmm - actually they can if they are claiming a lien over the vehicle until the bill is paid - you can (in effect) steal your own car. Of course they should call the Police etc etc but they do have a legal basis for not allowing the car out of their possession in these circumstances - more facts are necessary but they probably do.
Much much better to have no confusion over what is/isnot to be
paid for in the first place.
Happy days
George
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Follow Up By: Outnabout David (SA) - Thursday, Oct 11, 2007 at 08:42
Thursday, Oct 11, 2007 at 08:42
No lien in this case as it is going in for a recall so therefore no money owing
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Follow Up By: AdlelaideGeorge - Thursday, Oct 11, 2007 at 08:56
Thursday, Oct 11, 2007 at 08:56
Hi David
In Wayne's post he sated:
"They then said that if the Front rotor discs needed machining and the pads needed replacing I would be up for $604 (total for both)."
If they say there was an agreement to pay the $604 dollars - even though it may be disputed later - they may claim the lien. Then the trouble starts. The point is make sure there can be no confusion: 'I said-they said -then I said' etc etc. It can come down to one's word against another.
Best to ensure that when you leave the vehicle, leave it with a written memorandum of what has been agreed - that way there can be no dispute later.
Happy days
George
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Follow Up By: marq - Thursday, Oct 11, 2007 at 10:11
Thursday, Oct 11, 2007 at 10:11
If you think they will force it - get them done for the cheap price elsewhere prior to taking to $TOYOTA$.
Toyota is in it for the money... (haven't you seen the prices for their LC's).
I know black toyota in
dalby tried to talk my mother into a $3000 key/lock replacement (at the repair centre), lucky she said something (prior to doing it) and the battery in the key needed replacing in her keyless remotes (cost $12 for the batteries).
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Reply By: AdlelaideGeorge - Thursday, Oct 11, 2007 at 07:56
Thursday, Oct 11, 2007 at 07:56
It is about duty of care - it's also about 'merchantable quality' and 'fitness for purpose.'
Read the Trade Practices Act 1974 PtV, specifically ss 70 and 71 and the implied conditions in all consumer transactions - you'll easily find it on AUSTLII. Familiarise yourself with the principles - these laws are there for the protection of all of us.
Then ask the Toyota dealer if he/she really thinks that the brakes were/are fit for the purpose and/or of merchantable quality if they require any work at all after such a short period??? Helloooo!!
You usually find that all the rubbish about 'having to charge for extra work' and 'we will impose a lien on the vehicle if you don't pay what we demand' will quickly evaporate when you let them know you know your statutory rights.
This is not all to hard...read the provisions and know your rights. You can also visit the ACCC web site and download some excellent 'plain English' fact sheets that explain these provisions very
well.
Happy days
George
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Reply By: Member - Nick (TAS) - Thursday, Oct 11, 2007 at 08:10
Thursday, Oct 11, 2007 at 08:10
Had ours done about six months ago, they had vehicle for about an hour.Walked in, dropped off.Came back when I got the phone call and walked in drove off.No questions asked.
Anyway, why would any of us allow our brake pads and rotors to wear down to a dangerous level.We all check them dont we.
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Follow Up By: Andrew from Vivid Adventures - Thursday, Oct 11, 2007 at 10:17
Thursday, Oct 11, 2007 at 10:17
ditto
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Thursday, Oct 11, 2007 at 10:40
Thursday, Oct 11, 2007 at 10:40
Ditto as
well.
I checked the brakes myself before dropping it in.
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Reply By: Member - Oldplodder (QLD) - Thursday, Oct 11, 2007 at 08:16
Thursday, Oct 11, 2007 at 08:16
Don't know why dealers like to machine rotors so often.
My paj has had the front discs machined once at 180,000k ( at installling 2nd set of pads) and just had the back rotors machined at 290,000k for the first time.
Had the car since new, and had it serviced locally since 40,000k, and they ring for approval on any work not previously agreed to.
It seems to be easier to machine them then check them.
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Thursday, Oct 11, 2007 at 10:42
Thursday, Oct 11, 2007 at 10:42
I'm with you John. I only machine when required.
But all mechanics like to machine the rotors because its not a big cost and it means the customer is less likely to come back with a problem.
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Follow Up By: Member - Oldplodder (QLD) - Thursday, Oct 11, 2007 at 19:55
Thursday, Oct 11, 2007 at 19:55
It has taken me 10 years to build up a good relationship with this mechanic.
He knows what I am looking for and I have a good idea how he thinks.
So he knows that if I bring the car in with a problem, we can sort it out in stages, and he knows I am not going to jump on him if the problem is still there after trying something. Some things just don't repeat in a workshop or short drive.
He can warn me that brake pads are getting low and I need to keep an eye on them, and I will for example.
And he looks over the car as he does things and lets me know what may need doing in 20k or 30k, instead of always doing regular interval servicing, some sooner , some later.
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Reply By: MEMBER - Darian (SA) - Thursday, Oct 11, 2007 at 09:30
Thursday, Oct 11, 2007 at 09:30
Surely vehicle marketing works like this - "every time a customer brings his/her vehicle in, no matter what the reason, that is an opportunity to make money !". Seen it first hand myself may times - every opportunity is exploited fully, by the "switched on" dealers.
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