Towbar Couplings for Light Tough trailer

Submitted: Thursday, Oct 11, 2007 at 12:55
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Thinking of doing something memorable like riding my trail bike across the Simpson for when I'm 60 next year.

This will mean need for a strong trailer capable of carrying any broken down bikes to be towed behind my GU Patrol which will be the support vehicle.

I am toying with idea of modifying a standard low cost 50mm ball coupling or similar to increase its angular articulation for a purpose built trailer I am making to cross with.
(While O'brien or tregg are great they are $200)

Wondering if others have done this, or crossed with standard system.

Robin Miller


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After some research we are proceeding with the following rough plan for building the trailer and would welcome input to its design.

The overall concept will be to build a flat rectangular TIG welded frame which will then have a braced 65mm x 3mm wall square drawbar of length such that it will allow the trailer to
swing side to side almost 90 degrees such that it will not hit the car.
The bike holding bits will be bolt on and designed to be removed and trailer will ultimately be configurable as a camper as a later project.
The cost of the basic operational frame will be $1000 (ex-wheels)

The weight of the trailer will be 400kg unloaded - 800kg loaded. Its unbraked and its basic width will be that of the car @ 1900mm with wheel track 1650 (same as car) so that trailer wheels will follow in car tracks.
The trailer frame top surface will be designed to be level with the wheels at 800mm which combined with width will just Wheels will be 16X7 trak 11 steel rims running 235/85/16 tyres with spare capable of going on the car.

Suspension is a major issue and have decided to go with commercial 40mm square solid axle on leaf springs with shocks and landcruiser hubs with optional larger bearings(non-chinese)
with 165cm between the two wheel mating faces.
While there are some advantages with independant suspension we have concluded that main issue as with cars is to have a suspension setup that allows for real flex with the intended load.
Design will be to have 50mm of suspension downtravel from unloaded trailer to loaded.
Hence expect to use long leaf (Holden ute) with fip over spring hangers and using just the appropriate number of leaves which will be determined later. An effective extra 50mm will
come from the tall 85 profile tyres with a total effective suspension travel of 200mm vertical and 30mm horizontally.
The axle will be slung under the springs to increase ground clearance and to allow for spare wheel to be carried either behind or forward of the trailer frame (this allows for adjustment of towball weight to around 50kg).

The frame will be constructed such that the spare wheel will fit inside its perimeter not below it.

Coupling - haven't decided on this yet although have been looking at a full swivel O'briens off-road unit rated at 2500kg but this looks a little heavy and expensive at $205 retail.

The coupling will be on a bolt on plate and allow for a standard trailer ball unit to be used instead.


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Reply By: Alan H (Narangba QLD) - Thursday, Oct 11, 2007 at 13:30

Thursday, Oct 11, 2007 at 13:30
I am no engineer!

You state expected loaded trailer of 800kg

Towball weight should be about 10% so this means you should design a towball weight of 80-100kg

A proper 360 degree hitch may be good insurance. A broken hitch at the bottom of a sand dune half way across would not make for a fun time.

The adventure should be your bike ride not getting the trailer across so don't shortcut trailer design.

Enjoy your adventure!!!!!!
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Thursday, Oct 11, 2007 at 13:36

Thursday, Oct 11, 2007 at 13:36
Hi Alan

Yep , haven't explained to clearly but towball weight will be adjustable to a degree and reflects situation that crossing the dessert the trailer should only be 500 -600kg as bikes (3) will hopefully be off the trailer.


Robin Miller
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Reply By: Shaker - Thursday, Oct 11, 2007 at 13:39

Thursday, Oct 11, 2007 at 13:39
Do yourself a favour, & buy an offroad coupling, the Orac is very good & one of the cheapest.
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Thursday, Oct 11, 2007 at 14:49

Thursday, Oct 11, 2007 at 14:49
Hi Shaker

Will go there if i have to , but they are $274 retail and don't really need the strength - just the action.

A consideration is to build a similar one though if I can't work out anything else.

Robin Miller
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Reply By: flappa - Thursday, Oct 11, 2007 at 14:28

Thursday, Oct 11, 2007 at 14:28
Quote: " he weight of the trailer will be 400kg unloaded - 800kg loaded. Its unbraked . . . "

You will need brakes.
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Thursday, Oct 11, 2007 at 14:46

Thursday, Oct 11, 2007 at 14:46
Hi Flappa

Don't really expect to need brakes from the performance point of view as its about 25% of the vehicle weight and Patrols long wheelbase makes them an excellant tower and mine , a 4800 has bigger brakes than the diesels to start with.

A fair bit of the weight will be the 180lt of fuel it will initialy carry
and it will be a bit heavy at start but normaly we expect to keep it below the 750kg requirement of an unbraked trailer.
At least that is the design goal.

Robin Miller
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Follow Up By: Andrew from Vivid Adventures - Thursday, Oct 11, 2007 at 15:06

Thursday, Oct 11, 2007 at 15:06
electric brakes make a hell of a difference if you are in rough country in my view.

I'm glad I have mine even though technically they are not required - just makes for a more controlled ride.
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Follow Up By: flappa - Thursday, Oct 11, 2007 at 15:29

Thursday, Oct 11, 2007 at 15:29
Not arguing the performance Robin , I have a 4.5 Patrol.

Its a legal issue.

If there is a possibility of being above 750kg , it SHOULD be braked.

My issue is that Trailers are frowned upon in the first place in the Simpson.

To be building a trailer , that IMO you are cutting corners on , is NOT the best way to convince people towing a trailer in the Simpson is a good idea.
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Follow Up By: Andrew from Vivid Adventures - Thursday, Oct 11, 2007 at 16:24

Thursday, Oct 11, 2007 at 16:24
Why should trailers be frowned upon in the Simpson?

The current Desert Parks Pass book no longer makes such a recommendation as far as I can see and whilst doing so may require skills in towing a trailer which some folks may not have, it may also reduce the load on their vehicles considerably and lead to a much safer journey in the net net.

It may be appropriate to frown upon poorly maintained or inadequate trailers in the Simpson, but equally they should be frowned upon in many other places.

I don't see how Robin's building effort and his desire to reduce costs has anything to do with convincing people that towing a trailer in the Simpson is or is not a good idea.

Cheers
Andrew just back from another beautiful and painless Simpson Crossing with trailer and Tregg hitch.

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Reply By: Tyreman - Thursday, Oct 11, 2007 at 15:10

Thursday, Oct 11, 2007 at 15:10
Gday Robin , dont know if these would be any good to you

Site Link

Cheers Dave
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Thursday, Oct 11, 2007 at 15:16

Thursday, Oct 11, 2007 at 15:16
Wow, thanks for link Dave - that looks good enough to change the hole equation - was considering making my own if standard doesn't come up to scratch - but not at that price.


Robin Miller
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Reply By: Scoof - Thursday, Oct 11, 2007 at 17:01

Thursday, Oct 11, 2007 at 17:01
Hi Robin ,

Just thought I would tell you about my experience crossing the Simpson with 2 mates with trailers with 50mm standard ball couplings I was worried the whole time that it wouldn't do the job but they never had any problems at all with articulation.Never got close to maxiam angle.
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Thursday, Oct 11, 2007 at 19:38

Thursday, Oct 11, 2007 at 19:38
Thanks Scoof

Am interested in actual experiences.

Seen a few dead trailers along tracks but its hard to tell why they died , and never spefically been able to say one died because of exceeding max angle.

Robin Miller
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Follow Up By: Andrew from Vivid Adventures - Thursday, Oct 11, 2007 at 20:25

Thursday, Oct 11, 2007 at 20:25
There is one dead trailer on the Rig Road - from memory near the Petrified Forest - a gear trailer - perhaps 5 foot high and a 7x5 trailer. It has no running gear remaining but does appear quite flimsy.

There is also a dead trailer in Birdsville - from memory around the back of the Shell Garage that used to belong to Gawler Lions club or something similar - it too is of very light construction.

With the exception of the dead kitchen that has parted company with it's KK on the Anne Beadell - who forgot to lock it up?, most of the dead trailers I have seen on tracks should not have gone further than the local tip.

I assume that exceeding the maximum angle will either force the hitch off the ball, or perhaps bend the drawbar.

Coming down off sand dunes with steep faces, sometimes with strange angles is probably the typical activity most threatening to trailers in the desert. You really do want your trailer following you comfortably rather than being potentially forced over as you maneuvre down a dune face.
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Follow Up By: Member - Scoof (SA) - Thursday, Oct 11, 2007 at 23:34

Thursday, Oct 11, 2007 at 23:34
Robin we went across the Simpson in 2005 and seen a couple of trailers beside the track we had a good look at them one had the draw bar completely ripped off slipper springs which had been removed along with the axle.It was a garden trailer not built for off road.The other trailer was made from a old ute body and still had all the supplies stacked inside but can't remember the problem with that one.

All the best with your planned adventure, sounds great.

Scoof.. :-)
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Reply By: Mikee5 (QLD) - Thursday, Oct 11, 2007 at 18:24

Thursday, Oct 11, 2007 at 18:24
AFAIK there are Aust Standards for trailers which you must meet before you can register it. Search the net for the references or contact the Dept of Transport in your state. Building then complying a one-off trailer could be difficult. The numbers on the compliance plate will determine if it is capable of going over the 750kg and whether it must have brakes. It is not up to you to decide.
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Reply By: Member - Kim M (VIC) - Thursday, Oct 11, 2007 at 18:27

Thursday, Oct 11, 2007 at 18:27
Robin

Put a Hyland hitch on it.

Regards

Kim
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Reply By: Robin Miller - Saturday, Oct 20, 2007 at 13:20

Saturday, Oct 20, 2007 at 13:20
Well , finally picked it up - the chinese copy full 360 coupling from ebay at $135 as per Tyremans post (thanks).

Slightly stronger than O'brien/Tregg and compliant but with 2000kg rating, and massively lower cost.

While at this specialist trailer factory I alos picked up some fully submersible LED trailer lights . Looked good but not cheapest at $25 each.

Cheap is good , but it not cheap if it doesn't do the job.

Robin MIller
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