Friday, Oct 12, 2007 at 22:01
Good to see Willem and Davoe have taken the bait....sorry I was a bit slow off the mark, but just got home from work :-))
I'm a tubeless convert. Got sick of fixing splits about 10 years ago, and had a couple of near rollovers on an old troopie when tubes let go on the highway.
Other experiences for and against:
- Skinny tyres on splits give better fuel consumption.
- Tubeless tyres wear less (less heat build up)
- Splits can be hard to remove a tyre but are dead easy to repair, reassemble and reinflate. Tubeless are very easy to fix - if you know how, but some sizes can be hard to reinflate.
- Splits on brand new vehicles are usually very good; on older vehicles flat tyres are common - usually from cheap tubes, dirt in tyre, pinched tubes, stickers etc etc
- Plugging tubeless is easy when you've been shown how - theres a learning curve, and using glue instead of that crappy lubricant makes a difference. In my experience, 80-90% of plugs give a 100% seal. If we don't get a seal with a couple of plugs, we put a radial patch on the inside.
- Tubeless tyres can roll off rims at low pressures. Usually happens to the less experienced drivers - cornering too fast on sand.
- Tubes can rip their valve out at low pressures on sand, but usually only if you drive it way too hard.
- Plugging tubeless on vehicle takes 10minutes, then you drive again. Replacing a split takes 30minutes, then another hour fixing it back at
camp.
For a GQ patrol, my preference would be to get some 16x6 tubeless rims and fit the 235/85R16 tyres. But thats my bias!!
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Follow Up By: Member - Kiwi Kia - Saturday, Oct 13, 2007 at 07:53
Saturday, Oct 13, 2007 at 07:53
Phil makes a VERY good point about CHEAP tubes causeing problems. I got a good deal on a full set of tyres, rims and tubes a while back. After 5 pin hole punctures on the maunfacturing seams on the tubes I have just changed all the tubes to a thicker name brand. I new the brand of tyres and rims but did not check what tubes were included in the original deal.
In my opinion the quality of your tubes is just as important as the quality of the tyres you are useing.
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Follow Up By: Willem - Saturday, Oct 13, 2007 at 08:19
Saturday, Oct 13, 2007 at 08:19
Ahhh Phil....you have joined in on our favourite subject....hahahaha
Cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Saturday, Oct 13, 2007 at 18:18
Saturday, Oct 13, 2007 at 18:18
Willem,
Wouldn't miss it for quids! :-))))
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Nullagine) - Saturday, Oct 13, 2007 at 19:54
Saturday, Oct 13, 2007 at 19:54
You kinda converted me Phill.
theres no doubt about those plugs (i have 2 in a front tyre ATM) and have plugged sidewalls etc.
hence my reply. decent tyres like the MTR can do
well in a lot of situations with a few plugs.
.... but for bush/cross country work rags and splits come into there own. i certainly noticed the difference in kal bush with the MTR offering little resistace to the combination of more wood and harder ground than desert driving.
For alot of the trips i do closer to
perth now they are fine and i havnt had the splits on since an ill fated Mt elvire trip
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Nullagine) - Sunday, Oct 14, 2007 at 11:02
Sunday, Oct 14, 2007 at 11:02
Those cheap tubes you speak of. have another disadvantage and that is patches dont seem to "vulcanise" too them, at first i thought it was just me or the glue but i have seen problems with them at other
places with other people having the same problems.
I patched plenty of proper (michelin i think) tubes at one job with no patch malfunctions (
well there might have been 1) and then moved to another job where they had the cheapies and was driven insane by constand slow leaks from the patches requiring rework
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