Stranded on the Telegraph Track. 100 series cruiser.
Submitted: Saturday, Oct 13, 2007 at 15:44
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Mayesy
On our recent trip to
the tip we broke down on the Telegraph track just north of cockatoo
creek. Five hours later after three mechanics had a go at the vehicle we were mobile. With no warning the vehicle just stopped. Eventually the concensus was a short somewhere preventing power to the fuel pump and diesel from there to the engine. Could not get it fixed in
bamaga and back home in
cairns now and still not fixed. Lucky it did not happen while we were on the Frenchmans track or we would still be there. Thanks to all who helped particularly Neil the mechanic from
Georgetown who knew how to hot wire power to the fuel pump.
Gotta love electrics.
mayesy
Reply By: TerraFirma - Saturday, Oct 13, 2007 at 15:50
Saturday, Oct 13, 2007 at 15:50
R U sure it was a Cruiser..?? Narr must have been an illusion...!
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Reply By: Member - Davoe (Nullagine) - Saturday, Oct 13, 2007 at 17:10
Saturday, Oct 13, 2007 at 17:10
are you talking turbo diesal 100 or the NA 105 standard?
I have heard of this problem with the NA diesal and last time just traced it back to a busted wire under the rubber boot.
It really puts paid to the naysayers saying electronics on the new vehicles are unreliable gimmie an old one that doesnt rely on electronics
you need the 2h donk for this
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Follow Up By: Mayesy - Saturday, Oct 13, 2007 at 17:20
Saturday, Oct 13, 2007 at 17:20
yea Davoe it is a standard NA 1hz (98 GXL) with aftermarket turbo fitted. This was the first time I have been let down by electronics in nearly 30 years of cape trips. Mostly in 60 series but also a variety of other vehicles. Only had this one for 10 months and apart from this problem was very happy with vehicle. But it was a serious problem and we were lucky help turned up. I will not be satisfied until the problem is sorted. An auto elec up here said all I can do now is to keep driving around and wait until it stops again and phone him and he will come and sort out where the short is there and then.
Not a very ideal solution!
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Reply By: Member - Dick (Int) - Saturday, Oct 13, 2007 at 17:42
Saturday, Oct 13, 2007 at 17:42
Does the 100 series 1Hz have an electric pump pushing fuel from the
tank? Is is standard? Where is it located? I thought the 1Hz just sucked the fuel directly from the
tank.
Dick
in Phuket
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Follow Up By: furph - Saturday, Oct 13, 2007 at 20:10
Saturday, Oct 13, 2007 at 20:10
Sounds very much like a broken wire to the fuel cut off solenoid.
Apart from the glow plug timer there are no electronic gizmo's on the na 1hz.
Unless it was fitted with an aftermarket immobiliser.
furph
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Follow Up By: Member - Phillip S (WA) - Saturday, Oct 13, 2007 at 21:48
Saturday, Oct 13, 2007 at 21:48
My 99 1hz has a mechanical fuel pump that sucks directly from the fuel tanks...however there is a solenoid that seperates the two tanks, I have known this to give trouble in some vehicles...I thought if it happened to me, I should be able to plumb it to bypass the solenoid until it was fixed or carry a spare...Phil
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Follow Up By: Member - Dick (Int) - Saturday, Oct 13, 2007 at 23:42
Saturday, Oct 13, 2007 at 23:42
Phil, that's exactly what my 1hz has and that is why I could not understand the reference to the electric fuel pump. As mentioned in the previous posts, the only possibilities electrically would be the Solenoid that controls the two tanks, if in fact the vehicle has dual tanks, the fuel cut off Solenoid or the immobiliser which I understand some 100 Series have. There is nothing else in the 1hz that is electric and that is why I have a 1hz.
Dick
in Phuket
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Nullagine) - Sunday, Oct 14, 2007 at 01:26
Sunday, Oct 14, 2007 at 01:26
Dick(Int) there is a solonoid on the mech fuel pump that shuts off the fuel to the pump - this is how they shutoff by key. fairly common problem for this system to crap itself
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Follow Up By: happytravelers - Sunday, Oct 14, 2007 at 05:29
Sunday, Oct 14, 2007 at 05:29
I agree with everybody else, the only electrics are the fuel shut off solenoid or the dual
tank solenoid, like others this is why I like the 1hz, very simple system,I certainly didn't buy it for the power.
Jon
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Follow Up By: Member - Dick (Int) - Sunday, Oct 14, 2007 at 11:05
Sunday, Oct 14, 2007 at 11:05
"there is a solonoid on the mech fuel pump that shuts off the fuel to the pump - this is how they shutoff by key. fairly common problem for this system to crap itself"
Davoe, I know you spend a lot of time with the 1Hz so tell us, how frequently does this solenoid fail. So far I have never had a problem but would like to know in advance what to expect. Is it held open by power so that any loss of power cuts off the fuel? What is the recovery plan if it fails and you are stranded. The old mechanical cut off cable had a lot of advantages.
Dick
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Nullagine) - Sunday, Oct 14, 2007 at 11:11
Sunday, Oct 14, 2007 at 11:11
mostly
mine vehicles so you dont really care what the cause is you just take it to the w
shop.
it doesnt seem the solonoid fails but rather the power wire most likely due to corrosian and vibration.
Fix i guess is to run power straight from the battery to the solonoid which should get you out of trouble. On newer 1hz the fuel pump has extra gizmos atached to it so you would need to get someone to point out whih is the solonoid wire
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Follow Up By: Mayesy - Sunday, Oct 14, 2007 at 22:20
Sunday, Oct 14, 2007 at 22:20
Davoe that is how we fixed the problem. Cut into the two power lines that go into the fuel pump solenoid, joined them and ran a wire straight to the battery as it kept blowing an ignition fuse located in the front passenger kick panel.
They couldn't find the short in
Bamaga and repaired the wires. When we set off home an hour out of
Bamaga a fuse blew again. This time we knew straight away about the location of the fuse panel inside the kick panel and I replaced the fuse with a 20amp. It got me all the way home without having to hot wire like we did the first time.
I just wish there was a simple way of finding the short.
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Reply By: linda k - Sunday, Oct 14, 2007 at 15:46
Sunday, Oct 14, 2007 at 15:46
In July I was driving into the
Mitchell Falls when I had to drive through 3 long muddy puddles. On exiting the third one, stopping to unlock the hubs and getting out of 4WD I went to start the car and it wouldn't start. After a moment of panicking (I was travelling alone, and at Drysdale Station I'd asked how much for a tow.I reckon by asking I preempted something happening. $3000) Fortunately, it did start again and I had no more problems.
I had already been over the Pentacost twice continued on to
Derby on the GRR and returned via the GRR. Nobody could explain to me either and yes the car is a 1999 100 series diesel
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Reply By: Trevor R (QLD) - Sunday, Oct 14, 2007 at 20:40
Sunday, Oct 14, 2007 at 20:40
Very similar prob with Mark and Jo's petrol Pajero up at Landcruiser Mtn
Park some months back. Fortunately a couple of forumites knew what they were up to and hotwired the pump direct from 12v source on accessory key circuit and bingo, fuel pump in action whenever key was on accessories. Probably still like that today, if I know Mark and Jo hehehe.
Regards, trevor.
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Follow Up By: Member - Shane D (QLD) - Monday, Oct 15, 2007 at 12:23
Monday, Oct 15, 2007 at 12:23
How ya goin Trevor,
That fualt was found to be computer issue, donor computer was sourced and away it went.
Shane
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