What's 3G compared to NextG??

Submitted: Wednesday, Oct 17, 2007 at 09:18
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Like a lot of others here- I'm in the quandery by the imminent close down of CDMA. So I got thinking- do I really need a CDMA type service?? When I'm out and away I really don't need to be contacted or contact anyone, and even with NextG- I'm sure it wouldn't have coverage in most of the remote places I get to !! (I don't think there's a tower at Neale Junction-yet!!)
So what is 3G ?? and what other networks supply a good value for money service??
I do have HF facilities if an emergency arises-
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Reply By: Boobook2 - Wednesday, Oct 17, 2007 at 09:35

Wednesday, Oct 17, 2007 at 09:35
Next G is Telstra's branding for 3G, which simply put allows faster data applications such as internet, video TV like service and video calls in addition to phone calls.

One technical difference is that testra's service is on 850Mhz, where as the others are on about 2G, so it will fo further.

They are testing the coverage verses CDMA right now, and it is Nearly as good ( despute what telstra says about it is better).

If you are in the country then there is an excellent chance that Telstra's next G will give you a much better coverage than the competition, but if you are in teh city it makes little or no difference.
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Follow Up By: Andrew from Vivid Adventures - Wednesday, Oct 17, 2007 at 09:55

Wednesday, Oct 17, 2007 at 09:55
"Next G is Telstra's branding for 3G"

um. sort of.

NextG can use either 850 or 2100MHz (which isn't related to the 2G/3G difference), but when using 850MHz it does have a longer range.

Here's a recent ZDNet article http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/communications/soa/Telstra-s-Next-G-range-a-knockout-/0,130061791,339273624,00.htm

NextG is a Telstra 3G offering normally running on a different frequency range to the other 3G offerings and also providing a fallback to GSM when appropriate.
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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (Qld) - Wednesday, Oct 17, 2007 at 10:10

Wednesday, Oct 17, 2007 at 10:10
Sorry all the phone experts......I thought 3G was a company. like Virgin, Telstra, Vodaphone etc .

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Follow Up By: Andrew from Vivid Adventures - Wednesday, Oct 17, 2007 at 10:11

Wednesday, Oct 17, 2007 at 10:11
That is "3" - t h r e e.

Previously Hutchison or Orange.
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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (Qld) - Wednesday, Oct 17, 2007 at 10:12

Wednesday, Oct 17, 2007 at 10:12
This is the one I was thinking about THREE
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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (Qld) - Wednesday, Oct 17, 2007 at 10:13

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2x3 =6
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Reply By: Member - extfilm (NSW) - Wednesday, Oct 17, 2007 at 09:41

Wednesday, Oct 17, 2007 at 09:41
A quick example,
In Exmouth 3g will not work but telstra digital (2g I think) does.
I think next g will still have a better coverage than 3g.
Peter
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Reply By: Dave B (NSW) - Wednesday, Oct 17, 2007 at 09:44

Wednesday, Oct 17, 2007 at 09:44
3G generally only operates in areas where there is a larger population and Telstra can make a motza.
Next G is supposed to replace the CDMA and operate in the outer areas and along various highways.
Next G is like CDMA, when you get to a bigger city, it will just cross over to the 3G network.
In reality there are not many other choices.
Where I live, Vodaphone and Optus drop out within 10 minutes of town.

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Follow Up By: Andrew from Vivid Adventures - Wednesday, Oct 17, 2007 at 09:59

Wednesday, Oct 17, 2007 at 09:59
"Next G is like CDMA" - well, it uses the same frequency ranges, yes. It is rather different to CDMA too.

"when you get to a bigger city, it will just cross over to the 3G network" - well, not quite. If there is no 850MHz service it will use standard GSM, but in all of the bigger cities now, there is very good 850MHz service.

You will find that there are also micro-cells for GSM in tunnels, buildings, black spots, etc. in cities where the phone will switch to GSM (served by the micro-cells) without you needing to know.
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Reply By: TerraFirma - Wednesday, Oct 17, 2007 at 10:33

Wednesday, Oct 17, 2007 at 10:33
3G is the poor mans version and only works in Metro areas (No Regional/Rural) and is slower on the data side. I'm gunna say this to all of you and you won't like it, Next G is the only way to go outside of a Satellite Phone. Given CDMA is going to be cut very very soon, don't kid yourself you are better of embracing Next G as best as possible.

So how do you do that?

1. Check the Telstra Next G Coverage Maps to see the areas that concern you.
2. Buy the best Next G phone with an external antenna capability.
3. If you can afford it buy your phone outright and don't lock yourself into a Next G plan.
4. Have a Satellite phone as backup in an emergency if coverage is crucial.

I'm sure there is a huge variation in handsets capabilities so find the best one and get yourself the best external antenna.

Finally this is all IMHO...

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Follow Up By: Dunco (NSW) - Wednesday, Oct 17, 2007 at 10:42

Wednesday, Oct 17, 2007 at 10:42
Next G has better coverage across AUS. But you have to have a phone that is compatible with Next G.

You can put a Next G SIMCARD into a normal phone and you will only get 3G service as it drops back to the lesser service. I would still like to try it out in the country somewhere to see how it works as I would like to go without buying a new phone.

I just traveled through a lot of Outback Qld and my Optus phone was worthless until I drove into the main street of "some" towns. Other towns had no service at all.
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Nullagine) - Wednesday, Oct 17, 2007 at 20:46

Wednesday, Oct 17, 2007 at 20:46
Nah Dunco a next G phone will take a gsm sim and run off 2G
A GSM (2g) will not operate with a 3g sim
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Follow Up By: Andrew from Vivid Adventures - Wednesday, Oct 17, 2007 at 21:21

Wednesday, Oct 17, 2007 at 21:21
A GSM phone will operate with a NextG SIM but only on GSM.
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Follow Up By: Dunco (NSW) - Wednesday, Oct 17, 2007 at 23:42

Wednesday, Oct 17, 2007 at 23:42
Davoe,

I had a NEXT G SIM in my Optus 3G phone and it worked...but only on 3G
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Nullagine) - Wednesday, Oct 17, 2007 at 23:46

Wednesday, Oct 17, 2007 at 23:46
Hmm I got told a gsm phone wouldnt work with a next g sim but i Know (regulary use) a gsm sim in my nextG
dunno bout next g into optus etc
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Follow Up By: Andrew from Vivid Adventures - Thursday, Oct 18, 2007 at 07:45

Thursday, Oct 18, 2007 at 07:45
A Telstra SIM only works on Telstra networks.
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Follow Up By: Dunco (NSW) - Thursday, Oct 18, 2007 at 09:56

Thursday, Oct 18, 2007 at 09:56
I put my mates NEXT G sim card into my Optus 3G Phone and it worked !!! But only worked on HIS account.
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Reply By: Member -Signman - Wednesday, Oct 17, 2007 at 11:49

Wednesday, Oct 17, 2007 at 11:49
Still trying to figure all this out-

So 3G is not necessarily 3 (or vice versa)?? 3 is just another 'network' (like Vodaphone, Optus etc)...?? And NextG is really a 3G..
And when the 3 is out of zone- it switches to Telstra??

When you go to those shops- they ask for YOUR postcode or address to establish coverage?? Like, it's a MOBILE phone. I don't really need to know coverage at home- mainly when I'm mobile!!
And all the deals & rates are so confusing--bring back the jam tins & a piece of string I say !!
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Follow Up By: Muddy doe (SA) - Wednesday, Oct 17, 2007 at 23:42

Wednesday, Oct 17, 2007 at 23:42
You got it Signman!

3G is short for "third generation". 1G was the old analogue AMPS service (still the best in many rural users opinions!) that was replaced by CDMA back around year 2000

2G is your digital services such as GSM and the current CDMA that is in it's death throes in Oz.

There is also 2.5G where the carriers introduced a few enhancements to GSM that upped the data rates a bit using stuff like EDGE.

3G is the newest standard and is capable of much higher data transmission rates. NextG is just Telstra's 3G service.

It can get very technical in terms of frequencies and transmission standards but that is the basics of the different "generations" of network types.

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Reply By: stevesub - Wednesday, Oct 17, 2007 at 14:48

Wednesday, Oct 17, 2007 at 14:48
There are several companies in Australia running mobile networks with 3G.

From memory they are 3, Optus, Vodafone and Telstra - all using GSM and offering 3G speeds in metropolitan areas.

Telstra ALSO run their NextG network which is to replace the CDMA network. This is a 3G network wherever you get great 3G coverage which is most places people go rather than in the cities only.

What is 3G, it is mobile broadband - that is it and speeds vary from say around 100Kbps to over 7Mbps depending on which network you are on and the coverage you are getting.

There is also 2G which is what is offered by the on nthe GSM netwroks when you are out of 3G range. This is data at around dialup speed.

The NextG network is also used for voice, texting, etc and is the best 3G network in the country for coverage by miles - but you pay for it - it is expensive for 3G but OK for voice. Remember that Telstra ALSO run 3G on their GSM network which only works at 3G in the cities, 2G elsewhere.

Confused, well you have the be in the industry to really understand as the Telecos do not make it easy to understand so I hope that this helps

Stevesub.
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Follow Up By: Member - Olcoolone (S.A) - Wednesday, Oct 17, 2007 at 20:47

Wednesday, Oct 17, 2007 at 20:47
All the carriers ofer 3G networking, when mobile phones went digital the used 1G technology, then they went to 2G technology and now 3G technology.

G stands for generation.

On 1G phones there were no text messaging, 2G had text and data and 3G has video,picture sending, internet browsing and a host of other thing.

3G is the current generation of phones, we use the Nokia 6310I phones and they are only 2G.

All networks are backwards compatable meaning you can use 1G, 2G and 3G phones.

The carrier "THREE" was the first to offer a 3G networking but only in selected areas....... Remember the sales pitch "get two phones and watch each other with a video call."

Now all carriers offer it.

Next G is a 3G platform but with modifacations, 1,2 and 3G systems have a time factor built in limiting distance from a base to about 36 Kilometers and I belive Next G has it but modified allowing about 110 Kilometers from a base.

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Follow Up By: Member - Olcoolone (S.A) - Wednesday, Oct 17, 2007 at 21:12

Wednesday, Oct 17, 2007 at 21:12
Opps! made a mistake. 1G was the old analogue.

2G was digital with 2.5G and 2.75G and now 3G.

So 2 to 3G GSM are backwards compatable....but CDMA was also called a 2G system.

Something like that..
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