generators at Free Camps

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Hi everyone,

Is it an acceptable practice to use a generator at "Free Camp" sites? Or is it generally frowned upon.

I would like to be sensative to those around me, but I will need to use a generator on my travels.

Any advice on this matter would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.
Selena
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Reply By: flappa - Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 12:14

Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 12:14
Frowned Upon ? Depends who you speak to.


IMO , if you needed a Gennie , then use it. Be respectful of your neighbours.
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Reply By: Member - Cruiser (NSW) - Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 12:17

Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 12:17
I have just recently returned from a 3 month trip to Qld for the winter and in every free camp we stayed at people were using their generators, even up till 10.30PM in one case just so they could watch their TV.

I think if you are conciderate of others by running it in the day or late agternoon and you are not parked to close to them, most people dont have a problem with you using it to top up batterys or run the microwave at tea time.
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Reply By: the mightyQ - Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 12:18

Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 12:18
G'day Selena, Yeah! it is frowned upon. But why not the alternative solar set-ups

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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (Qld) - Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 12:58

Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 12:58
andy
Solar might be OK to a point , that point is reached when it becomes to expensive , how do run lights, A/C ,TV and a Microwave on Solar, you won't run all those at once with a generator either but at least you could have lights / TV and A/C .
Never fails to amuse me the greenie statement for States and or a City to go Wind or Solar power , not possible , totally out of the question , and as for Hydro power , that's going to be severely restricted too if the drought keeps on , there is only one clean, green way to go , Nuclear ,
Now that will stir up the hornets, the Do-gooders, the greenies, the anti-nuclear mob ,

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Follow Up By: Sand Man (SA) - Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 13:15

Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 13:15
A portable nuclear power plant.....Oh Boy!
I'll have one of those!

I guess a "handman" shouldn't attempt to open one to fix a problem themselves though:-)
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Follow Up By: Vince NSW - Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 13:19

Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 13:19
Hay Dusty & Doug.
Did you see the article in the paper early this week where they are looking at useing the moon as a solar collector & transfering to earth via microwaves. If we could tap into this out bush we could do the cooking real eazy.
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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (Qld) - Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 13:20

Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 13:20
Sandman

Why Not ???

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Follow Up By: the mightyQ - Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 15:17

Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 15:17
Doug, Doug, Doug,
I do not make a habit of making personal attacks on this site ( even when I was a member) but man you are the complete pessimist. With my solar set up I am able to use all the items you list, except for the A/C, you should really move into the 21st century.
Explore the new world of solar technology available to you!! not to mention the solar/12volt appliances around today.

You don't have to be Green to be Clean and silent.

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ps try a bit harder to be constructive and not destructive...go on give it go, you might surprise yourself!!
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Follow Up By: Steve from Top End Explorer Tours - Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 15:46

Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 15:46
Hey Doug

If the greenies were half smart, they would realize that nuclear power is greener than solar power.

1 tonne of uranium is equivalent to 14000 tonnes of coal.

So imagine how many solar panels it would take to achieve the same volume of power, put that together with the toxic substance that creates solar panels, then look at the amount of toxic waste that would be created when the solar panel are finished.

This was told to me by a professor in Holland, who's job it was to try and make solar power more environmentally friendly than nuclear.

People may laugh, but It's been a dutch team that has won the World solar car challange for 3 consecutive years breaking the record each time, I was catering for a Japanese team that came 6th the first year they won, that would be 6 years ago.

I don't have all the facts to back up what I have said, this is just the laymans terms I remember.

Based on power output to volume of energy it takes to produce one would say I'm not far of the truth.

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Follow Up By: whyallacookie - Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 20:11

Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 20:11
Why not just take all the money you were going to spend on the van/aircon/microwave/TV etc etc and just go stay in motels, your obviously not there to enjoy the outdoors anyway.

I really can't see what the point in going is... all you've done is take home with you
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Follow Up By: whyallacookie - Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 20:13

Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 20:13
sorry should have said unless of course you have medical needs that require a generator or generator backup and that is the only way you can
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Reply By: Member - Pixie - Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 12:46

Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 12:46
being a user of tents, i find the people in their vans using a generator to simply run a tv and airconditioner late at night to be inconsiderate of their neighbours. i would try to camp away from vans for this reason.

one camp site i was at, the van pulled up, faced the van door away from my site and promptly set up the generator facing my camp (so it was at the back of their van and away from their own camping area). disregarded pointing the generator off into the bush on the other side of their camp. most inconisderate in my opinion.

i am sure a bit of thought where you place the genrator and what times you run it at would alleviate most problems with neighbours
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Follow Up By: QLD Kev - Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 15:30

Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 15:30
Pixie,

I would have turned the generator off on them LOL

They would get the hint sooner or later :)

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Follow Up By: Sand Man (SA) - Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 17:51

Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 17:51
Naa!,

Sugar in the petrol tank, then they couldn't simply restart it again.
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Follow Up By: blue one - Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 19:38

Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 19:38
False.

Myth was busted.
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Follow Up By: 96 GXL 80 series - Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 20:33

Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 20:33
Turn the fuel tap off and you would be back tucked up in bed before they new who did it.
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Reply By: Member - Stephen M (NSW) - Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 12:52

Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 12:52
I think it also depends on what type of Generator you have and where its placed. Some of the dearer one's Honda, Yamaha, and even the Kipor which is a cheaper Generator but still very efficient are very quit but in the dead of night most generators can be heard. As mentioned above only fire up when needed for micro etc and if other people are already there try and get as far away as possible so the Generator will be that little quiter for your neighbours. A bit of consideration for other campers will be appreciated by them if you make the effort. Even walk over towards them and see if it is really noticable or even better ask them is it bothering them. Most will say no or you might get a few who will reply with "as long as its not roaring aloud at midnight". I think you will be ok. Most are not too noticable till later in the evenings when all is quit. Regards Steve M
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Follow Up By: Mainey (WA) - Saturday, Oct 20, 2007 at 00:31

Saturday, Oct 20, 2007 at 00:31
You could pay for 200 watts of decent quality SOLAR for the same price as a better Honda's or Yammies.

No comparison.......... go S O L A R
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Reply By: Member - Doug T (Qld) - Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 13:23

Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 13:23
Well yek OK everybody.
This was Selena's post so we won't continue the nuclear debate here '

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Follow Up By: the mightyQ - Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 15:28

Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 15:28
Hey, Hey,
Boy!! now you really are an annoying w....r . Don't go blaming Selena, you rabbited on in the beginning, don't blame anyone else but yourself ........
You Dougyy boy are the provocateur and the blame sits firmly on your shoulders.

It's true! they just should not allow some people to become members the screening process is all wrong!
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Follow Up By: QLD Kev - Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 15:36

Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 15:36
Andy,

To continue to debate something on someone else's thread is also regarded a provocation if you want to continue it send Doug an MM, but then again maybe the screening process is working hence you cant LOL

Kev

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Mobile nuclear power is achievable cause they use it in submarines ;))
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Reply By: MEMBER - Darian (SA) - Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 15:17

Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 15:17
We saw it quite a lot in QLD recently - as others have said you can do what you like.....but......a long, budget power lead from Bunno's, plus an 'office hours only' policy for running gennies could hardly cause offence - they only way to beat those 240V gennie TV watchers well after dark is to stay in a caravan park !
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Reply By: muddyboy - Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 15:23

Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 15:23
ARE YOU GOING CAMPING OR ARE YOU JUST MOVING YOUR HOUSE? SOMEWHERE THERE HAS TO BE A POINT WHERE YOU CUT OFF FROM THE TRUE REASON YOU WENT OUT THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE
''CAN YOU SMELL THAT SON ...2 STROKE''
''AH ..THE SERENITY''
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Follow Up By: QLD Kev - Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 15:39

Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 15:39
There's no need to yell, we are not all deaf

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Follow Up By: muddyboy - Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 15:54

Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 15:54
sorry about that i left the''caps lock ''on im new to this computing stuff still cant find the 500 free camping sites site though somebody siad its in here somewhere
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Follow Up By: QLD Kev - Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 16:04

Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 16:04
Muddy,

There is actually 565 free camps listed in Places

Free camps in places

Check the link out it will reveal all for you

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Follow Up By: muddyboy - Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 16:51

Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 16:51
thanks for those VERY handy directions it always good to someone who knows where they are going!
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Follow Up By: muddyboy - Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 16:52

Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 16:52
thanks for those VERY handy directions it always good to have someone who knows where they are going!
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Follow Up By: QLD Kev - Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 16:55

Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 16:55
No problem, glad I could help

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Follow Up By: QLD Kev - Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 16:56

Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 16:56
No problem, Glad I could help :))

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Reply By: deserter - Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 16:39

Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 16:39
Not a problem if considerate to others re noise/hours. Recently in a free camp near Monto I had to ask a fellow caravanner to turn his off - at 10 pm. He did - but it shouldn't have been on at that time in my opinion.

I plan to buy one sometime in the future to complement my solar. I would like to think that I will not use it at any time that it will disturb other campers.
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Reply By: Crackles - Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 16:49

Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 16:49
Yes it is acceptable but just concider. When camped at Dalhousie Springs, (which allows Gennies till 10 pm) one fella ran his for a single porta flood light turning it off right on time. Moments later the entire camp let off a big cheer. Obviously we all weren't very impressed.
These days there are plenty of options for charging that dont require a genny or only require one for short periods. Those with 240V TV's or lighting ideally should look to inverters to run appliances then use the genny to top up the charge at a reasonable time of day when it wont annoy as many people. Have seen several cases of generator rage at camp sites over the years.
Unfortunately buying a cheap Chinese genny then bringing every plug in device know to man (eg: breadmakers/hair dryers) is getting all too common.
Cheers Craig...................
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Reply By: Selena - Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 16:53

Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 16:53
WOW - Thanks everyone. I knew I'd come to the right place.

What a mixed bag of replies. I guess the general concensus is: Use the Generator but be considerate.

I wouldn't dream of doing anything else. Thanks for everyones input.

Had a great laugh reading all the debating also. Thanks for the giggle. Looks like I'll have to stick around to see what other pot I can stir. haha just kidding.

Doug, thanks for defending my thread.

Andy, chill out dude!

Kev, was gunna make the "don't yell joke" myself you beat me too it - haha LOL

and everyone else who commented & sent best wishes - A big thanks THANKS

Hope to catch you all on the road.

Selena
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Follow Up By: QLD Kev - Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 16:58

Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 16:58
Selena,

I hope that your travels are safe and rewarding.

I'll see you when I'm looking at you LOL

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Follow Up By: the mightyQ - Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 18:51

Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 18:51
Yeah hopefully I'll get over it soon!!

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Reply By: Member - Davoe (Nullagine) - Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 17:28

Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 17:28
I can understand the need for some kind of extra power source if parking in the one spot for a few days but How long do you stay in free camps? dont you drive anywhere?
You dont even need duel battteries if all you are doing is running a fridgelights and TV
heck i used to do it all the time in my Nissan campervan
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Reply By: Motherhen - Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 17:36

Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 17:36
Selena, although we like bush camp miles from anyone, if we share a designated free camp with others, and they use their generators in sensible daylight hours, i can't raise any objection. Yes, I like it when they turn off, but i am choosing to share the site, and they need their power (we are fully solar powered, except if we need the air conditioner).

We camped near a caravaner with the Honda 2 kva same as ours at the Saw Pit free camp in Victoria, and we could only really hear it was on if we went outside.

In Tasmania, at one free camp site, there were a few people relying on generators for their fridges. One was our next door neighbour. He would only run it after around 7.30 am and off around 8 or 9 at night. Although it was a noisy one, i assured him i had no objection to him using at from 7 am or up to 9.30 at night. We liked their company, and choose to stay along side them. Near the other end of the camp (designated for 2 days camping) was a large caravan with a large generator. It was there for a long time, and the owner appeared to go to work each day, running the genny early morning before he left and then into late at night. The people down that end were very angry. An embarrassed Tasmanian camper referred to 'one ignorant Tasmanian'.

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Reply By: PhilZD30Patrol - Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 20:04

Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 20:04
Hi

We have just returned from our big trip around Oz.

I am sorry if I upset people, but the noise of generators really is offensive and very anti-social. Generators can make the difference between a good night’s sleep or a bad night. Generator noise is transmitted through the ground and if you are trying to sleep in a tent, they sound like they are right next to the tent even when they are 250 metres away.

We have a simple dual battery set up, a 40 litre fridge, a lap top computer and 12 volt fluro lights. We had absolutely no problems with lights, fridge or computer for our 6 months on the road. We never used a caravan power site. On arrival at home our 2 batteries have tested out as fully charged and in good condition.

Generators are not required if you plan ahead and spend the cost of the generator on a good multi-battery system and energy efficient equipment.

If you want all the luxury of home I suggest you stay at home and leave the bush to those who really appreciate it.

For holidays, try a Gold Coast unit, they are very nice and Sufers Paradise has all the glitter, lights, loud music and more cold beer that any one could ever need

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Reply By: Member - Duncan W (WA) - Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 20:29

Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 20:29
Evening all, Selena maybe if you had mentioned why you needed the genie some of the negativity wouldn't of taken place. If the power supply is for say medical reasons such as running a dialysis machine fare call. But if it is just to run electrical appliances out of convenience then place the gennie as far away as possible. On a still night the throb of a gennie can be very annoying.
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Reply By: 96 GXL 80 series - Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 20:39

Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 20:39
All generators should be powered by a Hotted up V8 running on racing fuel.

That way you can tell your neighbours that you have been watching the car races on telly.
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 22:37

Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 22:37
Hi Selena,

There are many of us who hate the doofdoof coming from generators. Its not that it stops us from sleeping - more that it destroys the beautiful "quiet" of the bush at any time of the day or night.

I only camp in a crowded free camp area as a last resort, and if people run generators, then thats something we'd have to put up with.

Cheers
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Reply By: keith & louise - Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 22:45

Friday, Oct 19, 2007 at 22:45
Hi All,

We have no real problem with people using Gennies if needed but i must admit we were camped at O'tooles flat in Vic and had a a family camped well away from us, but insisted on using their incredibly noisy genereator 24/7 and i gets a bit much!!
We run everything off 12V and generally only use lighting for cooking etc.
I figure if you need to run a gennie 24/7, you may as well stay in a caravan park with 240V!
TV and aircon are for at home, not in the bush
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Reply By: Member - Ian W (NSW) - Sunday, Oct 21, 2007 at 15:41

Sunday, Oct 21, 2007 at 15:41
Selena,

A bit touchy that one. You will get opinions but that's all they are, personal opinions. There are no set by-laws.

Might I suggest that you rephrase your question so as to read, "is it acceptable to use your generator in an inconsiderate manner etc..:" In such a case the answere of course is that it's not.

I run a Honda EU10 generator and take care to use it in a non intrusive manner.

If you have not as yet purchased your generator then do your research and endeavour to buy the quietest unit you can. Camp away from other on the edge of the camp area so as to be less intrusive. Try where possible to camp downwind which helps a little in carrying the noise way from others and try to run your generator during daylight hours and very early evening.

The other alternative is wait untill your neigbours kids are hooning up the camp on their mini bikes and then fire up. Should you be sharing the camp area there will often be a smug prat who makes loud comments about people with generators, just wait untill this smart alec starts up his noisy rattley diesel to idle for 45 minutes while he recharges his auxilluary battery then start your generator, even you won't hear it, let alone anyone else. Oh! By the way, this idiot will be upwind of all other campers and so stink out every ones site with his rotten diesel fumes.

Bugger them!

Do the right thing! Show consideration for others! But don't allow E.O. or camp site nazis to stand over you.


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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Sunday, Oct 21, 2007 at 19:28

Sunday, Oct 21, 2007 at 19:28
Yep, there's always an idiot with a noisy diesel LOL

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Follow Up By: Selena - Monday, Oct 22, 2007 at 13:54

Monday, Oct 22, 2007 at 13:54
Thanks Ian,

Wanting to "Do The Right Thing" is why I posted in the first place and boy did I get a mixed bag of responses. I understand I am within my rights to run a Gennie (respectfully) but I was not sure if "protocal" existed within "Free Camp" so was puttin out the feelers.

As suggested I'll have to rephrase my questions better in the future. :)

My short term caravanning needs are better suited to a generator (rather than inverter) as it could then be used at home as a backup to power outages.

Thanks again for your input
Selena
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Follow Up By: flappa - Monday, Oct 22, 2007 at 14:59

Monday, Oct 22, 2007 at 14:59
Selena , be careful with "within my rights" . . .

Some areas expressly disallow gennies full stop.
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Follow Up By: Selena - Monday, Oct 22, 2007 at 15:27

Monday, Oct 22, 2007 at 15:27
Thanks flappa,

OOPS! Maybe the implication I received from others was misinterperated by me. OR rephrasing wrong again?

The reason I posted my question in the first place was to find out my rights and obligations before setting off blind.

No one has expressed, until now, that there were areas where gennies were totally forbidden. Thanks for pointing that out. :)

Selena
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Follow Up By: flappa - Monday, Oct 22, 2007 at 15:34

Monday, Oct 22, 2007 at 15:34
Thats OK.

Just to clarify , Most National Parks wont allow Gennies at all. Some of these are still considered "Free Camps".

State Reserves DO allow Gennies , but some areas also have signs saying No Gennies or No Gennies after (eg) 9.00 pm etc etc.

It pays to do a bit of homework on the areas you are going , and to keep your eyes out for signs etc
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Follow Up By: Selena - Monday, Oct 22, 2007 at 15:41

Monday, Oct 22, 2007 at 15:41
Will do.

Thanks again.
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