Fluros/LEDs and bugs

Submitted: Sunday, Oct 21, 2007 at 19:38
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G'day all, there's been a number of Threads this week regarding campsite lighting. One common theme is that fluros and LEDs are great but attract bugs like buggery.
Does anybody know who stocks yellow fluros for the standard fluro lights be it the standard long 12v type or the torch style?

I've considered getting some yellow cellophane to wrap the lights in.
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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Sunday, Oct 21, 2007 at 19:56

Sunday, Oct 21, 2007 at 19:56
Duncan,

LED liamps DO NOT attract insects. Not in my experience anyway.

I use an LED lamp near the cooking area in my camper annex for just this reason. The versalite fluro puts out a brighter light but does attract its share of bugs. The LED worklight has 20 rows of 3 LEDS and is about the same size as the versalite.

I don't think you can get yellow fluros for 12 volt lights, but you can paint the enclosure, or do as some people do and wrap the lamp with the yellow cellophane. There is not a lot of heat generated from a quality 12 volt light.
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Follow Up By: Member - Duncan W (WA) - Sunday, Oct 21, 2007 at 20:20

Sunday, Oct 21, 2007 at 20:20
G'day Sandman, had a horror of an experience in Broome with LED lights and bees. Unbeknown to us when we picked our u-beaut spot in the Cable Beach van park I hadn't noticed a huge bee swarm in the tree above us. At night I turned on the LED light and the bees came around in droves. Because the light gives of almost the equivalent of sunlight the pesky little buggers didn't know any better.
I also found that the LED lights don't give a very good throw of light.
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Follow Up By: Member - Brian A (NSW) - Sunday, Oct 21, 2007 at 21:49

Sunday, Oct 21, 2007 at 21:49
Can't help out with availability of yellow tubes as a replacement for a flluro, but I can confirm that led lights - at least the type that I have been recently using on our camping trips - definitely are NOT a bug-free replacement for a fluro.

I have tried a couple of different led alternatives. All attract bugs from near and far. A costly experiment and very disappointing.

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Follow Up By: Wok - Monday, Oct 22, 2007 at 06:08

Monday, Oct 22, 2007 at 06:08
Brian,

If you are electronics savvy, fit a controller for varying the light level.

The level is adjusted to match the camping-area so that the bugs are reduced.eg: In winter [bug-less area] you could run the light flat out etc.

IMHO the bugs are attracted by both UV & Intensity. I now use homemade LED strips which use both level adjuster, diffusers and distributed sources.

Another alternative is to use a quality headlight.

Then there is the issue of Colour Rendition with LEDs......not going there!

Hope this rant helps :)
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Follow Up By: Member - Duncan W (WA) - Monday, Oct 22, 2007 at 09:49

Monday, Oct 22, 2007 at 09:49
Wok yer I'm savvy, I turn a switch on and magically this glow comes out of a bulb or similar. Basically if I can't see it I don't fathom it.
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Yalgoo) - Monday, Oct 22, 2007 at 10:43

Monday, Oct 22, 2007 at 10:43
you dont need 12v fluros - they are all the same so just look at a specialized light ing sore for a yellow fluro that fits
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Follow Up By: whyallacookie - Monday, Oct 22, 2007 at 14:20

Monday, Oct 22, 2007 at 14:20
Sorry a bit off topic here but

WOK what if you made your LED array and fitted some of the standrd yellow leds along the light, could that possibly effetc the light "colour" sufficiently???

Hoping you can help!
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Follow Up By: Sand Man (SA) - Monday, Oct 22, 2007 at 17:31

Monday, Oct 22, 2007 at 17:31
Well, blow me down.

I must just be lucky with the type of insects that in the SA bush.

I turned on the vesalite a bit after dusk and noticed quite a few bugs (moths and similar) were attracted to the light. So I moved it to the other end of the annex and put up the LED work light.
No bugs. Then to prove something, I turned off the vesalite asnd noticed no increase in bugs attracted to the LED.

After a half hour or so, I again turned on the vesalite and within a few minutes had attracted several moths, etc. Still no insects around the LED work light.

Boy I am so lucky I just happen to have an LED light with the right colour temperature that doesn't seem to attract insects yet is still of a reasonable light output.

Must admit I haven't come across any bees when camping yet.

Above all, any 12 volt light wins hands down over the gas lantern IMHO. I remember when I used to use one and ended up with roasted carcasses all over and around the lantern.
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Reply By: V8Diesel - Sunday, Oct 21, 2007 at 23:22

Sunday, Oct 21, 2007 at 23:22
Try a specialist lighting supply company that handles supplies for filming purposes.

Lights are selected on 'colour temperature' for films amongst other factors and that will have a significant effect on bugs I'd imagine. (Fluro's are green and LED's are blue believe it or not). These places often sell filter 'gels' as well which are like an industrial grade of cellophane for lighting use and this product is heat resistant. Ask for 'Lee' or 'Rosco' brands.
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Reply By: Member - Jeff H (QLD) - Monday, Oct 22, 2007 at 01:28

Monday, Oct 22, 2007 at 01:28
Duncs, you're spot on with the cellophane. (Actually we use yeller garbag plastic). Minor invasion, one wrap. Major invasion....many wraps.

Buddy, ignore me. I'm an idiot. Been nowhere, done nothing: sigh.

The home-assembled 'led' in my rig pics has survived a prolonged immersion in sea water, plus a 2M drop on to concrete, whilst running off a 10.8 V cranking battery.
I'm happy with that, but then I'm easily pleased. (Still with me first Missus, God bless 'er)
Best wishes ole son.
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Follow Up By: Member - Duncan W (WA) - Monday, Oct 22, 2007 at 09:52

Monday, Oct 22, 2007 at 09:52
Jeff still on my first as well and intend to keep it that way. Hear the replacement costs are way to high and some of the newer models don't perform as well as the older models.
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Reply By: Member - Kiwi Kia - Monday, Oct 22, 2007 at 07:08

Monday, Oct 22, 2007 at 07:08
Dunc, I don't think it is the colour that is the problem, it is the UV light emitted by the light source and SOME yellow materials do filter UV. I know that in the printing industry a special yellow sleeve can be put over fluorescent tubes in areas that have printing plates that are effected by UV. These sleeves are rather expensive and work without restricting very much light. If you know anyone in the printing trade you could try asking them if they have any damaged sleeves that you could adapt for your smaller tubes.
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Reply By: madcow - Monday, Oct 22, 2007 at 08:01

Monday, Oct 22, 2007 at 08:01
try these guys

http://www.4x4equip.com.au

They had a sheet of yellow material that you need to insert into a versa light to help stop insects. We are off to the 4wd show in Melbourne next week and intend to buy a couple if they are there.
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Reply By: Member - Duncan W (WA) - Monday, Oct 22, 2007 at 09:54

Monday, Oct 22, 2007 at 09:54
The next 4wd show is next month so I'll do a browsing search there. Tried last year to no avail. Most 4wd and camping stores said they had heard of them but had no idea where you can get them from. Think I'll try the cellophane.
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Reply By: Member - Duncan W (WA) - Monday, Oct 22, 2007 at 09:57

Monday, Oct 22, 2007 at 09:57
Oh yer anybody else noticed that Bushman repellant is not much cop at the moment. Stinks to high heaven is sticky as buggery and still attracts flies. Thank God I've still got the fly veil.
Do I sound like I'm whinging?
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Reply By: Member - Alastair D (NSW) - Monday, Oct 22, 2007 at 11:15

Monday, Oct 22, 2007 at 11:15
Duncan,
Try an auto parts store like Bursons and get some of the yellow paint that is sold to colour the bulbs in lights with clear lenses. Only need a small bottle - like nail polish. It works well on your existing tube and lasts.
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