Flat battery problems

Submitted: Tuesday, Oct 23, 2007 at 19:15
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I haven't been allowed to drive for the last 3 months due to an operation on my leg. I've had my daughters drive my Hilux now and then to keep the battery charged. Last time it was started, about 7 days ago, it was a bit slow on the turn over so it was taken for a drive of about 60 km. Yesterday tried to start it and wouldn't turn over.
This is an 04 Hilux, previous shape, pre intercooled. Do I need to disconnect the battery to charge it with electronic charger? Can I disconnect the battery without any dramas to the electronics? I don't have jumper leads with spark suppressor so am reluctant to jump start it. I can call out the RACV to just start it, but I really need to charge the battery up with a charger as I'm not allowed to drive until next week.
Hope the battery isn't stuffed and I don't want to ruin my electronics in the fixing.
Advice please?
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Reply By: PradOz - Tuesday, Oct 23, 2007 at 19:41

Tuesday, Oct 23, 2007 at 19:41
Some of the later vehicles require a radio security code when you disconnect the battery. If it hasnt changed from new the radio manual may assist with the standard code.

Apart from that why worry about disconnecting battery as when it is stuffed it has to come out then anyway.

If you battery has the screw on caps have a look to see if it has fluid. You can take it to your mechanic who can tell you if it has a stuffed cell and therefore past it. RACV should also be able to tell you (as long as they dont want to push selling you a battery)

Not sure about your model with specifics. Hopefully someone here will help. Cheers
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Follow Up By: Max - Sydney - Tuesday, Oct 23, 2007 at 20:23

Tuesday, Oct 23, 2007 at 20:23
RACV patrol should be able to give you a battery test and tell you if its charging or replacement that you need. If they are like NSW another van comes to sell you a new one so you can say "no thanks" to the patrol.

If you don't want to muck around changing radio codes etc many battery dealers stick a battery into your cigarette lighter to maintain a charge on the system - you could do the same with a borrowed battery and jumper leads.

Hope the operation made you better!

Max
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Reply By: Nick R (VIC) - Tuesday, Oct 23, 2007 at 22:29

Tuesday, Oct 23, 2007 at 22:29
Hey Twinkles,
best thing i did was buying a ctek charger, only the 3600, I put the 60 series on it every 2 weeks for a day or so and it has been good. the old 60 does a lot of short runs so the battery doesn't charge properly but this has kept it good. It claims to be able to desulphate batteries some times so you might get yours back. I never disconnect it to charge, couldn't be bothered, it wouldn't matter anyway, no codes in a 60....

you still coming to the pyrenees?
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Follow Up By: Twinkles - Tuesday, Oct 23, 2007 at 22:54

Tuesday, Oct 23, 2007 at 22:54
Hi Nick. Looks like I'll be allowed to drive after next Tuesday after contraption taken off my leg. Whole process a success as my leg is now straight. Just have to wait and see if knee lasts ok.
I am planning to come to Pyranees. Hope to see you and Simone there. John suggested to me tonight that the Ctec chargers were the go. I'll look into that when I'm mobile again. The charger I have is a Kmart one about 25 years old. I could use my Kubota generator to charge it also. I just don't want to wreck the electrics.
You going to the 4X4 show? I'm going with John & Marg on Saturday afternoon.
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Follow Up By: Nick R (VIC) - Tuesday, Oct 23, 2007 at 22:59

Tuesday, Oct 23, 2007 at 22:59
We are hoping to get to the pyrenees, pressure is on here but we hope to find a way.
doubt we will get to the show, will be in town but only briefly, Simone's sister and family to see then monster trucks at rod laver arena!!!
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Reply By: Muddy doe (SA) - Tuesday, Oct 23, 2007 at 22:49

Tuesday, Oct 23, 2007 at 22:49
I can't see any drama with hooking up a battery charger onto the terminals and turning it on in situ for a maintenance charge. If I was leaving my vehicle for more than a couple of weeks then I would probably hook it up and just leave it be until I returned (provided you have an appropriate garage type location of course).

I would love to know if this is not recommended!

As noted above it is a good idea to use a jump pack or a charger that has a "supply mode" to hook onto the terminals while you remove them from the battery to change batteries. Saves stuffing around with radio codes and retuning.

I have a Ctek XS15000 15 Amp charger and the documentation mentions that you can leave the charger hooked to the battery indefinitely to maintain it. It also has a "supply mode" that can make the charger act like it is a battery (at loads below 15 amps of course) to supply 12v power such as when doing changeovers.

Cheers
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Reply By: Twinkles - Tuesday, Oct 23, 2007 at 22:58

Tuesday, Oct 23, 2007 at 22:58
Thanks everyone for your replies. I'll get the RACV out and start me up with one of my daughters ready to take it for a run if it needs charging only.
A friend of mine told me that later model Toyotas need Toyota batteries as they have some smarts in them. Does anyone know anything about this?
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Follow Up By: Muddy doe (SA) - Tuesday, Oct 23, 2007 at 23:05

Tuesday, Oct 23, 2007 at 23:05
Reckon that would be a load of hooeey!

My Prado had it's main battery replaced at 3 years old and 95,000km. It does a lot of short runs to work (5km) and that may well have stuffed it.

The replacement was a Toyota branded N70ZZ which lasted only 3 months before it dropped a cell and also had to be replaced. I took a look at the new one and it looks pretty ordinary to me. Just has a Toyota logo on it and a N70ZZ sticker and that is IT. Bet my lease company payed a pretty price for it though!

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Reply By: Member - Bucky (VIC) - Wednesday, Oct 24, 2007 at 07:02

Wednesday, Oct 24, 2007 at 07:02
Twinkles
I do agree woth Muddy's comments, short runs kill batterys, unless you are constantly topping them up, and there should be no need to disconnect anything, privided your charger will automatically switch over to a trickle charge.
I have had a similar problem, but with my auxillary battery. Thought it was dead, but I had boiiled it to not quiet dry.
Anyway I went to Autobahn and got some INOX battery conditioner, and brought the fluid levels up to its recommended levels.
Lucky enuf the battery took a full charge and has not missed a beat ever since.
Cheers Mate
Bucky

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Reply By: Robin Miller - Wednesday, Oct 24, 2007 at 08:40

Wednesday, Oct 24, 2007 at 08:40
Hi Twinkles

I see your getting out the RACV and you might as well if your paying for them.

You can charge the battery in the car with just about any charger , so don't worry about it, the golden rule with unknown chargers is just don't leave it on for more than an hour.

If this doesn't crank over the cars engine then you may have a battery problem.

Nothing special about the battery , just know your prices and be prepared for the RACV guy to say "its stuffed and I can fit you up with a new one now".

Robin Miller
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Reply By: MEMBER - Darian (SA) - Wednesday, Oct 24, 2007 at 14:18

Wednesday, Oct 24, 2007 at 14:18
My current 05 landcruiser 100 book says simply to disconnect the vehicle's negative lead onto the battery, prior to charging (I use a 3 stage smart charger). I guess this is simply to avoid having higher than normal voltages buzzing through the system. When you put the charger clamps on the battery, the energy flow stays at the battery.
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