CTEK charger through a ciggy socket?
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Can a 240v 7amp CTEK charger be hooked up to the cigarette socket in a car via an inverter and effectively charge a 65A/H AGM battery when the car is on?
Reply By: Robin Miller - Wednesday, Oct 24, 2007 at 15:02
Wednesday, Oct 24, 2007 at 15:02
No
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Follow Up By: garbage - Wednesday, Oct 24, 2007 at 15:10
Wednesday, Oct 24, 2007 at 15:10
Is there insufficient power coming from the alternator to run the CTEK charger? Or will the crank battery be neglected and run empty?
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Wednesday, Oct 24, 2007 at 15:23
Wednesday, Oct 24, 2007 at 15:23
Hi Garbage
First issue is that the cig lighter socket is underated to carry the current drawn by the inverter.
You need to post some info about the inverter to see if it will be big enough , and it would need a good quality connection to the battery.
I suspect that you would need at least a 300watt invertor to power that charger properly.
The alternator does fundamentally have the power to do what you wish and still charge the main battery- but only when above idle.
Rough guess is that you will need about 15 amps from the car battery to run this setup , assuming good connections.
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Reply By: Member - JohnR (Vic)&Moses - Wednesday, Oct 24, 2007 at 18:03
Wednesday, Oct 24, 2007 at 18:03
Garbage, you would have to ask yourself why you would want to an not directly connect a cable to the AGM battery. Why the extra investment and complexity?
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Follow Up By: garbage - Wednesday, Oct 24, 2007 at 18:18
Wednesday, Oct 24, 2007 at 18:18
Just trying to investigate all possibilities.
I already use the CTEK charger to charge the battery from 240v so the only extra expense would be the inverter.
I've read that a charger like this looks after the battery better than a car's altenator so I'm weighing this up against a dual battery kit.
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Thursday, Oct 25, 2007 at 10:24
Thursday, Oct 25, 2007 at 10:24
Unless your Alternator is faulty or under-rated for your power demands, it will charge the AGM as
well as any 3-stage charger.
Just make sure you have adequate wiring and connectors to the AGM.
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Reply By: chocolate teapot - Thursday, Oct 25, 2007 at 07:15
Thursday, Oct 25, 2007 at 07:15
Hi Garbage
don't know anything about the ctek charger
as above the cig lighter will probably not handle charge current
John R's point above about complexity is certainly valid
alternator will respond to load - be it the vehicle battery or the inverter and its connected load and "think" it is connected to a larger battery - just like a dual battery setup after the cranking battery has charged sufficiently
now to the point - charging your battery with and inverter and a 240 volt multi stage charger will certainly give better charge and battery life than the alternator will ever give - however with an agm the gain will probably not be worth the effort
Standard alternators fitted to vehicles have very poor control circuitry and are designed to a price not a purpose - it would relatively easy for this to be changed at manufacture but batteries are cheap and are someone else's problem - the owners - they invariably don't charge fully or overcharge on long distance drives - both cause batteries to fail prematurely - batteries in controlled charging situations can have very long lives -much much longer than in typical automotive applications
Some campervan owners are now fitting systems with 12/24 input through an inverter and quality multistage chargers as an alternative to fitting high output marine alternators and high cost controllers - they of course have bigger investments in battery banks and most likely flooded cells rather than agms - they can also have very high current demands hence the need for high efficiency current replacement - still others are fitting multiple solar panels and smart controllers - still others are fitting onans - some are doing it all
maybe solar might be a better alternative for you
You are onto something but is it worth the effort for a single agm - probably not
Hope this helps
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Friday, Oct 26, 2007 at 21:58
Friday, Oct 26, 2007 at 21:58
Garbage,
I guess you've gathered that your inverter and Ctek won't do the job you'd like it to do.
Simple maths will say that a 7amp charger will take over 6 hours to put say 42Ah into a 65Ah battery. With losses, the figure is greater.
Your alternator, if wired up correctly, will push 15-20 amps into that 65Ah battery.
Your CTek charger can provide the icing on the cake when you're back in 240volts, to keep your battery fully charged.
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