Intercooling 80 series Landcruiser
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Ralph C
Hi, we want to have an intercooler and free flowing 3" exhaust fitted to our 1995 low mileage 80 series Turbo Diesel (automatic) 'cruiser. This is to boost low end power for towing a large 'van in outback conditions.
Can anyone help with experience on the brands we have looked at, being Denco or Luxon/Safari so far. Any others you would recommend?
The intercooler will be front not top mounted, and probably air to air, though if anyone with experience of air to
water or glycol can respond this would be helpful
Also should the exhaust be mild steel or stainless? This question relates more to performance rather than longevity.
The vehicle is used over exceedingly rough and corrugated roads and we are concerned about after market products rattling loose or not being as durable as original equipment.
Thanks "Oberon" Ralph
Reply By: Member - Matthew C (WA) - Friday, Oct 26, 2007 at 14:12
Friday, Oct 26, 2007 at 14:12
What state are you in?????????
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Reply By: Ralph C - Friday, Oct 26, 2007 at 14:24
Friday, Oct 26, 2007 at 14:24
Hi Matthew,
We are in NSW.
Cheers
Ralph C
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Reply By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Friday, Oct 26, 2007 at 15:09
Friday, Oct 26, 2007 at 15:09
Ralph,
Just an idea out of left field for you to consider before you go ahead and spend lots of money on an intercooler which may be a virtual waste of money........LPG injection! I reckon that for the money involved (about $2K after the government rebate), this will be 10 times better at getting you more grunt PLUS improved fuel economy.
The exhaust modifications will be worthwhile too in all liklihood, but I don't think it would matter much whether it was s/s or mild from a performance standpoint. If you can get it done with mandrel bends, then it will flow the gases slightly better, but the benefit is negligible for a full 3" system on this size motor......even a mechanically-bent 3" system will flow all the gases your cruiser could produce quite effectively.
A Denco authorised fitter once said to me that he thought intercoolers on a 4x4 were as close to being a waste of space and money as you were ever likley to come across.......leave em for the ricers. You might get a couple of % gain in power (measured on a dyno), but from a
seat-o-the-pants perspective I believe you would be disappointed.
Cheers
Roachie
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Follow Up By: Ralph C - Sunday, Oct 28, 2007 at 12:27
Sunday, Oct 28, 2007 at 12:27
Hi Roachie,
Thanks for this, your sentiments are echoed by almost 100% of the follow up so far as far as intercooling is concerned. We currently have about 3 PSI of back pressure in our exhaust due to age of vehicle (12 years) whereas specialist tuner advises 0.5 PSI is preferable so will likely fit free flowing exhaust.
I will switch my attention to LP injection but am concerned about added weight and the reduction of storage space.
Cheers
Ralph
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Reply By: Member - Toolman (VIC) - Friday, Oct 26, 2007 at 17:30
Friday, Oct 26, 2007 at 17:30
Ralph,
I asked the people who fitted a turbo to my 80 Series (AXT Turbo's) if there was value in fitting an inter cooler to boost low end performance. The answer was they'd do it but it would be a waste of my money as we would not get better performance from it. They recommended fitting 3 inch exhaust system and upping the boost a bit. I'm not all that sure about upping the boost but the exhaust I will go with.
A question to the experts out there though. If that's the opinion of Turbo specialists why do all new turbo diesels have inter coolers?
Toolman
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Follow Up By: Ralph C - Sunday, Oct 28, 2007 at 12:34
Sunday, Oct 28, 2007 at 12:34
Hi Toolman,
Thanks for that. Other
forum members agree. Intercooler waste of money on old, non chipped engines. I believe newer engines with electronic management systems benefit from for both power and emissions, because they are designed with them in mind right from the word go. Why do they fit them mostly as top mounted rather than front mounted. Top mounted appear less efficient. I guess this is due to space limitations imposed by styling and packaging considerations with V6 engines and short bonnets.
Cheers
Ralph
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Reply By: Outnabout David (SA) - Friday, Oct 26, 2007 at 21:17
Friday, Oct 26, 2007 at 21:17
Denco do not do one for the auto. Safari do one for the auto turbo diesel. I was thinking of one but undecided and also have thought about the gas injection for more power and longer and cheaper range and fuel cost.
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Follow Up By: Ralph C - Sunday, Oct 28, 2007 at 12:36
Sunday, Oct 28, 2007 at 12:36
Thanks Outnabout David.
Other
forum members agree, gas and maybe an exhaust is the way to go. I will look into gas injection and post th results as they come to hand.
Thanks and cheers
Ralph
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Reply By: Rossco td105 - Friday, Oct 26, 2007 at 21:50
Friday, Oct 26, 2007 at 21:50
G'day there Ralph,
Not sure that the inter cooler will provide any improvement in low end boost performance. The three inch exhaust will definitely help, and many people feel that an after market chip will change the fuelling characteristics of your engine to improve off idle response.
I have a different vehicle, but can say the inter cooler helps with inlet temperatures, the exhaust helps with lower (and upper) rev range boost pressure.
Mine has mechanical injection so can't comment on chips!
Ross.
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Follow Up By: Ralph C - Sunday, Oct 28, 2007 at 12:41
Sunday, Oct 28, 2007 at 12:41
G'day Rossco TD105. Thanks for your response, it appears an Intercooler will not gain more than about 5% powerbut will bring benefits in engine longevity in harsh environments. A new exhaust will help and maybe gas injection though I am concerned re added weight and space utilisation.
My 'Cruiser is mechanical injection too so regretably chip doesn't get a look in.
Thanks and cheers
Ralph
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Reply By: EvoRob - Saturday, Oct 27, 2007 at 07:21
Saturday, Oct 27, 2007 at 07:21
Roachie is right, for the money LPG injection is a much better way to go. More power AND more economy.
Let me know if you would like some more info
robert@eco-gas.com.au
http://www.eco-gas.com.au
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Follow Up By: Ralph C - Sunday, Oct 28, 2007 at 12:44
Sunday, Oct 28, 2007 at 12:44
Hi Evo Rob,
I will
send enquiry to your website separately.
Thanks and regards
Ralph
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Reply By: Member - Karl - Saturday, Oct 27, 2007 at 09:23
Saturday, Oct 27, 2007 at 09:23
Ralph,
I have a 91 90 Series GXL 1 HZ with an after market turbo fitted and I have been contemplating this as
well.
My mechanic, who also had a 80 Series TD, had one fitted to his motor and said that he got approximately 5% increase in power with a slightly better fuel economy.
My problem is for the money that it will cost to have one fitted is it worth it? - personally I don't think so, I am better off spending the money elsewhere.
BTW he also recommended that if I were to go the inter cooler path to go a air / glycol route as it has a better heat exchange - that was his opinion any way.
Best of luck with your search and let us know what you do.
You could also try www.offroad80s.com as there is a similar discussion there - again with varying opinions.
Karl
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Follow Up By: Ralph C - Sunday, Oct 28, 2007 at 12:53
Sunday, Oct 28, 2007 at 12:53
Hi Karl,
Agreed from what I have now learned intercooling is not the answer for more power.
I am following up a new exhaust, to reduce back pressure and also gas injection.
I will keep you posted on the
forum.
This is the first time I have used this
forum and I must say it has been a revelation and hopefully savd us from wasting money.
Thanks to everyone who responded.
Regards
Ralph
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