2003 3lt Nissan Engine compression problem.

Submitted: Friday, Oct 26, 2007 at 17:30
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Is anyone aware of any similar problems from the later 3tl turbo diesel motors? My extended warrantly is nearly up and as a result of gettng the car checked over, I was told there may be a problem with the cylinder compressions. I purchased the car new in May 2003, it has travelled 135,000 km and I have had it serviced regularly by Nissan including oil changes at every 5,000k. I have taken the car to my local Nissan Dealer who checked the compressions and advised that they were half of what they should be. The engine has been taken apart and they have also found a cracked conrod bearing. My dealer and Nissans are now working out how to address the problem. I am concerned that the rings/bearings may be replaced to fix it without addressing the problem of what may have caused this in the first place. I am not aware of problems of this type with the later model 3lt’s and was hoping someone may have an idea as to the cause. Thanks.
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Reply By: Andrew from Vivid Adventures - Friday, Oct 26, 2007 at 17:33

Friday, Oct 26, 2007 at 17:33
hopefully you have a big limit on the amount of any single claim on the extended warranty... sounds like common 3.0L TD issues.
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Reply By: OldMike2 - Friday, Oct 26, 2007 at 18:43

Friday, Oct 26, 2007 at 18:43
Not enough info.
Are valves OK?
Are the rings worn?
How much variation from cylinder to cylinder?
Does it use oil above normal amounts?
Does it operate in dusty conditions?

Just saying low compression is not much help, so the answers to the above would be a great help in trying to diagnose a cause.

I once had an engine that used lots of oil right from new and soon had low compression pretty much over all the cylinders and it turned out to be the piston rings were installed upside down.

Don't get caught up in the 3.0ltr Nissan hype, it could be anything yet. Have to wait and see re the above questions

Regards
Mike
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Follow Up By: Hen Pecked (Murray Bridge) - Friday, Oct 26, 2007 at 19:45

Friday, Oct 26, 2007 at 19:45
I think there has been some wear in the rings but that is about all of the information I have been given at this stage - it's only been in a couple of days. Apart from the odd trip bush, the vehicle doesn't drive in dusty conditions and has a factory fitted snorkel and I haven't noticed much oil use. I will hopefully find out some further info next week and update some info. Thanks.
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Reply By: garrycol - Friday, Oct 26, 2007 at 19:03

Friday, Oct 26, 2007 at 19:03
Sounds like the standard nissan 3 litre issues - I would be getting it fixed under your warranty and then selling.

Good luck with it.

Garry
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Follow Up By: Member - AJB (VIC) - Friday, Oct 26, 2007 at 19:35

Friday, Oct 26, 2007 at 19:35
And he'll get nothing for it.
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Reply By: Member - joc45 (WA) - Friday, Oct 26, 2007 at 19:34

Friday, Oct 26, 2007 at 19:34
Are Nissan saying that the cracked conrod bearing is responsible for the low compression ??? LOL!
I'd be talking to the RAA tech support or some other expert external to Nissan to see what they say. I'd certainly be concerned.
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Reply By: Member - JohnR (Vic)&Moses - Friday, Oct 26, 2007 at 20:30

Friday, Oct 26, 2007 at 20:30
Don't hang too much on the Nissan Extended Warranty. I am still waiting and phoning and waiting......... My GU diff had done less then 100,000kms, serviced regularly by the Nissan dealer, even just before we went away. Everyone says they are burstproof but no!
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Friday, Oct 26, 2007 at 22:07

Friday, Oct 26, 2007 at 22:07
Thank you for calling Nissan Australia, your call is very important to us (as we have to justify our jobs). You have been placed in a que....sucker!!
To have a conversation with yourself, press 1
To swear and get upset, press 2 (and get disconnected.)
If your call is about a broken Nissan, press 0 for the amount of help you'll get.
To talk to a customer service representative, press 3, and repeat Toyota is rubbish, loudly.
To buy a new Toyota, press 4

heheheheh
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Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic)&Moses - Saturday, Oct 27, 2007 at 11:27

Saturday, Oct 27, 2007 at 11:27
F'loosie, you never know I may work my way through the options but I have the direct line to the Customer Relations Manager's office so avoid that queuimg system. he has actually answed the phone himself, not just the secretary. Apparently phoned here yesterday while I was away. Member Peter McG helped with the contacts I have.
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Saturday, Oct 27, 2007 at 12:33

Saturday, Oct 27, 2007 at 12:33
John, I would be still argueing with the girl on the help desk :))
Gotta fish in the big pond I guess.
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Reply By: Member - Bucky (VIC) - Saturday, Oct 27, 2007 at 04:55

Saturday, Oct 27, 2007 at 04:55
I do not know of one 4b owner who is going to thrash his $50 grand, plus, vehicle.

Is there any figures on what percentage stuff up, and come to think of it what about Toyotas too.

And you guys wonder why I am lookng at an outdated 4.2 TD Nissan Patrol, or a Landcruiser, even with 200,000 on the clock, as longivity is the key to happy relaxed motoring.

I hate reading about all these 3.0 TD problems, caused by a little motor doing a mammoth job, and going bang. Unfortunately that is the case, they are wound up to the hilt, so something is gunna go bang.

Nissan should look at this, and work on thier 4.2, if they want to keep selling these vehicles in Oz. Too many are giving problems.
Toyotas seem to have the edge, at the momemt

Cheers
Bucky




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Follow Up By: Member - AJB (VIC) - Saturday, Oct 27, 2007 at 05:25

Saturday, Oct 27, 2007 at 05:25
Toyotas have always 'had an edge'. They are innovators and a 'real' player in the motor car industry. Niissans have always been cheaper to purchase but costly to keep running , except one model, have very poor customer service and they produce an inferior product.
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Follow Up By: Member - Bucky (VIC) - Saturday, Oct 27, 2007 at 07:21

Saturday, Oct 27, 2007 at 07:21
C'mon Roachie !

Follow up pls


hehehehehehehe

Cheers Bucky
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Follow Up By: Brew69(SA) - Saturday, Oct 27, 2007 at 09:35

Saturday, Oct 27, 2007 at 09:35
troll
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Follow Up By: Member - Pesty (SA) - Saturday, Oct 27, 2007 at 10:03

Saturday, Oct 27, 2007 at 10:03
Roachie? The closet toyota supporter?

He spends his lunch times at the local dealer, with the pretense of looking at Nissans, BUT the dealer is also a toyota dealer, and he is really drooling over the new toyota mudguard, but is waiting for a sparkling new 200 series to test drive !!!

As for the 3l motor, I have made my thoughts known before, and despite the nissan/toyota fun we have, nissan should have fixed this many years ago.
This has been going on for 7 years, and despite the diehard owners, who are trying to justify there choice, saying that all the problems are fixed on the newer series units, its more a matter of that they havent done the miles yet and will continue to cause trouble as they get older.

60 odd grand for a nice new diesel 4wd, regularly serviced and cared for, should do in excess of 400,000k, and should be just run in at 135,000k not worn out!
I would be on the livid side of upset, no matter who made it!

Cheers Pesty
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Reply By: Patrol22 - Saturday, Oct 27, 2007 at 10:13

Saturday, Oct 27, 2007 at 10:13
I don't think 3lt is too small an engine.....in the old pallance that's about 184 cubic inches...the patrol is <3 tonnes and if driven like a truck and not a V8 supercar using max throttle in each gear a 3ltr engine should be sufficient to do the job. I think a lot of the problems can be attributed to people driving these high tech diesels as if they are petrol engines......from my viewpoint (aka IMHO) diesels must be driven differently and this includes building revs slowly, not tromping on the go pedal and watching that exhaust gas temperature......I think all manufacturers would do themselves a favour if they fitted EGT gauges to new vehicles and advised people to drive of this instead of RPM.
My thoughts only.....now waiting for the incoming missiles.
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Follow Up By: Davo_60 (ACT) - Saturday, Oct 27, 2007 at 11:14

Saturday, Oct 27, 2007 at 11:14
Not sure that 3 litres is necessarily too small if it were designed better but is certainly toward the lower end of the scale. My understanding is that truck engines are driven fairly hard when fully loaded. I just don't understand why people buy these things, surely no piece of mind when in remote locations. Toyota are often criticised for the lower power outputs of their engines but they do seem to have reliability sorted, and for vehicles that are intended for remote travel thas is surely more important.
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Reply By: Hen Pecked (Murray Bridge) - Friday, Nov 16, 2007 at 19:26

Friday, Nov 16, 2007 at 19:26
A followup to my post. I collected my patrol from the Nissan dealer last night. The engine was rebuilt with my crank, conrods and head retained, but a new bock, pistons, rings bearings etc. and all covered by my extended warranty. The dealer advised me that I would have been out of pocket around $10K had I not had the extended warranty - I think the best $800 I have ever spent. They're not sure what caused the wear, but think the bearing always had the crack. I had a new clutch plate fitted at my cost, it was only about 50% worn but I thought cheaper to do now with the engine out. They have given me a further 20,000/12month warranty. Not happy about the whole thing occurring, the car was well looked after and as I stated the oil changed every 5,000km. I don't know if I just got a bad one or there are problems like a few are suggesting. No complaints about our local Nissan dealer, they kept in touch and let me know what was going on and when the car would be ready, which it was. I intended to keep the car for a while and perhaps upgrade. It has (had) been an excellent vehicle and was running fine even when the problem was discovered, but I have lost my confidence in them now and am not prepared to risk spending another $50,000+ on vehicle that may have problems at 135,000km again. I may re-assess in another 6 to 7 years and see how they are going but NOT at the moment!
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