Electronic Rust Protection..........

Does it work?

Reiner
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Reply By: datto311 - Friday, Oct 26, 2007 at 19:16

Friday, Oct 26, 2007 at 19:16
maybe, maybe not

Dr Karl says no.

A lot people, from their experience, swear by it

I had one that appeared to work on a new car that spent a lot of time on the beach - then I put one on an old road car with rust and all I can say is that there was no improvement

If you get one, get the warranty and pay them the $25 each year to check it. This way if you get rust they will fix it

Noel
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Follow Up By: obee - Friday, Oct 26, 2007 at 22:56

Friday, Oct 26, 2007 at 22:56
Dr karl doesnt even know why there are two tides a days but I have to agree with him on this one.

Owen
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Reply By: 96 GXL 80 series - Friday, Oct 26, 2007 at 19:19

Friday, Oct 26, 2007 at 19:19
Reiner G,
I have one fitted to my cruiser and is doing what it is supposed to.

I will say this in favour of the electronic rust kit, it that it protects all the body parts including roof, where rust proofing will only protect the area it is on.

Also rust proofing is only as good as how it has been put on.

Another with the Elecronic kit is that you only pay once as you can take it from car to car as you update or trade in.
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Reply By: Steve from Top End Explorer Tours - Friday, Oct 26, 2007 at 19:27

Friday, Oct 26, 2007 at 19:27
Look up thread 43334 there was quite some debate, then make your mind up.

Steve.
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Follow Up By: Martyn (WA) - Friday, Oct 26, 2007 at 19:57

Friday, Oct 26, 2007 at 19:57
Steve,
I read this post, took quite a while, what a post!!!!! Some angry people out there. Made interesting reading, once you cut through the "emotion" the story itself is quite informative. "Rustologists", I thought they were panel beaters..... LOL
Keep the shiny side up

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Reply By: Andrew from Vivid Adventures - Friday, Oct 26, 2007 at 20:15

Friday, Oct 26, 2007 at 20:15
Not as fast as the environment works to make it.

Just maintain your car well. Fix those chips (chuckle... then come and fix mine), and clean out all those nasty cavities ;-)
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Follow Up By: Andrew from Vivid Adventures - Friday, Oct 26, 2007 at 20:19

Friday, Oct 26, 2007 at 20:19
RustEvader Corporation (a/k/a Rust Evader Corporation, d/b/a REC Technologies); David F. McCready

An Administrative Law Judge issued an initial decision prohibiting RustEvader and its president from using the names "Rust Evader" or "Rust Buster" for a purported electronic corrosion-control device for automobiles that the judge said is not effective in substantially reducing corrosion, despite the company's advertising campaign to the contrary. The Commission alleged that RustEvader made false claims about this product and about a demonstration and studies regarding its efficacy. The judge's decision prohibits RustEvader from using the two brand names, from misrepresenting the performance, efficacy, or attributes of any automotive product, and from conditioning warranty coverage on the purchase of certain brand-named or trade-named products or services.

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Federal Trade Commission
600 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W., Washington, D.C. 20580
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Follow Up By: Member No 1- Friday, Oct 26, 2007 at 20:31

Friday, Oct 26, 2007 at 20:31
i gather that means its no good eh Andrew
always had my doubts .. we have rubber between us and the road and assuming there is comlete isolation (as it should be) between chasis and electrical then rust will form by normal oxidation process ... so how does it work.....i know ...witchcraft?
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Follow Up By: Andrew from Vivid Adventures - Friday, Oct 26, 2007 at 21:48

Friday, Oct 26, 2007 at 21:48
Well conceivably it could work in a similar way to cathodic protection, but not as well as keeping your car clean and keeping the paint up to it.

Funny that the dudes that most want to buy them are the same dudes who want to keep their car clean.

Cheers
Andrew whose car is neither clean nor free of pits and scratches.
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Reply By: Member - Robert G (WA) - Friday, Oct 26, 2007 at 20:42

Friday, Oct 26, 2007 at 20:42
I'm convinced it works and wouldn't be without it anymore. I am not sure it stops rust, but I do believe it at least retards it significantly. I still clean my vehicle properly after beach use and off road work and use spray lanolin under the body and touch up missing paint, but untill I am convinced it is of no value, I am all for it.
Maybe it just makes me feel better?
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Reply By: nowimnumberone - Friday, Oct 26, 2007 at 20:56

Friday, Oct 26, 2007 at 20:56
we were talking about them at work a cpl of weeks ago.
they tried them on a cpl of mine vehicles but the wiring keeps rusting
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Reply By: Gerhardp1 - Friday, Oct 26, 2007 at 22:30

Friday, Oct 26, 2007 at 22:30
Sacrificial corrosion blocks are put on boats to stop the various bits from corroding. No-one is silly enough to dispute that these work, since you can plainly see the blocks erode.

The science is therefore sound.

Implementation in a vehicle is a bit different from a boat, but the currents caused by different metals in contact with one another are present in cars.

The comment about wiring still corroding when ERP is fitted to the vehicle would seem to show a biased or unthinking view, since it is unlikely the ERP would be fitted to the active wiring of the car. I think its purpose is to stop the body from rusting.

I don't have ERP fitted to my 98 Jackaroo, and it has no rust. But then, unlike most vehicles, the Jackaroo panels are all zinc coated under the paint.

So if your car has zinc coating uner the paint, you can probably bypass ERP, but if you have something else and use it on the beaches or near seawater spray a lot, it's worth considering. Many offer a corrosion guarantee with the product, so theoretically nothing to lose.



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Follow Up By: Andrew from Vivid Adventures - Friday, Oct 26, 2007 at 22:42

Friday, Oct 26, 2007 at 22:42
Gerhardp1,

Sacrificial anodes are put on ships to counteract corrosion, yes.

The anodes corrode so yes, you can see the process at work.

The science of sacrificial anodes is NOT the science of electronic rust protection devices for vehicles, unless you drive them in the water.

There are no currents caused by different metals in contact with one another, and nor are they present in cars.

The wiring that was being talked about was not the wiring of the vehicle - it was the wiring of the ERPS... and if the wiring of the ERPS is corroding, what hope the metals that are a significant distance away...

Cheers
Andrew who suggests you keep cleaning your cars - it is a good cheap rust protection system.
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Follow Up By: Gerhardp1 - Friday, Oct 26, 2007 at 22:51

Friday, Oct 26, 2007 at 22:51
Andrew, 4wds are frequently driven in water, they are frequently driven in rain, they are frequently driven on beaches, and the atmosphere almost always contains a humidity level greater than 0%.

So they are similar to boats, some of which spend most of their life on a trailer rather than in the water.:)

I think you are wrong about no electrical currents when different metals are in contact, I believe that to be true. This condition exists in vehicles, which are subject to moisture from the atmosphere or condensation. Ever seen a 60 series or troopy with rust in the roof ? The cars didn't have to be immersed in water that high to rust, they rust up there due to condensation and the differrent metals in the panel and the welds.

I agree with cleaning cars to minimise corrosion, but it's bloody hard to wash a 60 series under the roof lining.....or inside the inner guards, or places where the corrosion sets in.

Cheers

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Follow Up By: Andrew from Vivid Adventures - Friday, Oct 26, 2007 at 23:33

Friday, Oct 26, 2007 at 23:33
Gerhard,

ions are not capable of transferring through air... so the science is quite different - of course you can leave your 4wd in the water if you wish.

put two different metals together and see if there is an electrical current... not an issue of moisture from the atmoshere... perhaps condensation, but again, condensation doesn't tend to envelope the whole car.

Rust is a local oxidation reaction my dear friend... it happens when you leave any metal out in the open. No different metal in any panels or welds required.

Funny that the corrosion is occuring where the cleaning doesn't happen, huh? Does that tell you anything?

You are particularly confused... let me remind you - you are supposed to be postulating theories for how ERPS systems allegedly work to COUNTERACT the oxidation process that can happen anywhere on the vehicle...

Cheers
Andrew who remains a sceptical physical chemist when it comes to ERPS effectiveness
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Reply By: obee - Friday, Oct 26, 2007 at 22:55

Friday, Oct 26, 2007 at 22:55
I say a mantra every time I get into the car and there is no rust after six years so it must work.

snapping fingers keeps elephants at bay too, at lest in the suburbs.

owen
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Follow Up By: Andrew from Vivid Adventures - Friday, Oct 26, 2007 at 23:36

Friday, Oct 26, 2007 at 23:36
The ERPS system says a little mantra in a voice that is so high pitched it can only be heard by dogs - that is it's secret.

Cheers
Andrew who wonders how ERPS systems manage to snap their fingers.
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Reply By: Member - Jeff H (QLD) - Friday, Oct 26, 2007 at 23:34

Friday, Oct 26, 2007 at 23:34
Obee,
Like many things, untill you've been there, it's difficult: as a "wannabe' sailor, I looked into world tides: quite complex. And for some goose like Dr Karl to admit to as yet unsolved complexities is SO good.
More power to the humble.
Jeff.
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Reply By: Member - joc45 (WA) - Saturday, Oct 27, 2007 at 09:55

Saturday, Oct 27, 2007 at 09:55
I had a Maverick for 12 years, beach driving, no rust.
My current GU Patrol is nearly 8 years old, beach driving, no rust.
If I had installed an ERPS to them I would have sworn to its efficacy.
But I didn't install one. I just assiduously hosed out the underside as soon as I could following a corrosive beach adventure and kept an eye out for physical paint damage caused by knocks.
Modern vehicle manufacturers do a lot better job of rust proofing than they did 20 or so years ago.
Gerry
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Reply By: V64Runner - Saturday, Oct 27, 2007 at 13:05

Saturday, Oct 27, 2007 at 13:05
My 1996 V6 4Runner with 225,000 clicks on it has been the best 4x4 I have ever owned. Been everywhere and no sign of rust anyhwere on the bodywork or under body and chassis. Sure it takes time to jack the car up and remove wheels and brake drums. With the KArcher high pressure water gun, at least every nook and cranny gets blasted till clean water is runnig out. Once satisfied that there is no mud or sand left behind, the car is jacked down. Sure its time comsuming, but better to have a rust free vehicle then one thats full of holes everywhere. Then taken for a good drive down the freeway to give the air a chance to dry everything out.
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