safri clutch burning

Submitted: Saturday, May 24, 2003 at 08:31
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A mechanic recently stuffed my engine in my Hilux dual cab and had to replace it. (2.8 lt diesel with DTS turbo) While he was doing this I gave him a brand new Safari heavy duty clutch kit. I was told that these were the best you could get and figured that while the motor was out I might as well cover all the bases. The car has approx. 10,000 km on the clutch and motor and I took it to stockton beach, Newcastle NSW. Within five minutes of being on the sand my wife said what is that smell? I said that is my brand new heavy duty clutch burning, the one that cost twice as much as the norm. My engine temp had not gone up at all, it just seemed that the clutch under extreme load couldnt make the grade and I was a little more conservative in my driving for the rest of the day. I have never had this problem with any other clutches and am hoping that maybe the clutch was not quite bedded. Another thing is that in reverse if not careful I get an incredible shudder and that usually indicates a bad flywheel or insuffifient clamping pressure from the pressure plate. The flywheel was in good cond. No cracks or burning when inspected. PLEASE HAS ANYONE ENCOUNTERED THIS WITH THESE CLUTCHES , HAVE I GOT A DUD. AND WHERE CAN I CONTACT THE MANUFACTURER.
EMAIL ME AT howesy@optusnet.com.au
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Reply By: diamond(bendigo) - Saturday, May 24, 2003 at 09:37

Saturday, May 24, 2003 at 09:37
gday howsy.
you said the fly wheel was in good nick.when ever i do a clutch i always get it machined just in case theres something your eyes cant see
i had a similar problem with a clutch ford fitted under waranty they didnt machine fly wheel and shutter was worse when we got it back.they took it out again this time machined it and never was a problem again.looking foward to september(landcruiser park/fraser island)
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Follow Up By: Old Jack - Saturday, May 24, 2003 at 10:52

Saturday, May 24, 2003 at 10:52
I would agree with diamond here about getting flywheel machined every time, the friction material will have to "wear" to the surface finish the old friction material left behind.
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Reply By: Member - Michael - Saturday, May 24, 2003 at 12:54

Saturday, May 24, 2003 at 12:54
These clutches are very good quality made by Daiken in Japan.The pressure plate can not cause shudder,if insufficient clamping pressure it would simply slip.Check that you have freeplay at the pedal and its not holding on the hydraulics as they wear the diaphram comes up and clutches have to be backed of to avoid this.You say the flywheel was fine did you put a straight edge over the face it is very common in and is also a cause of earlier failure it causes irregular bending of the clutch hub and no amount of bedding in will straighten out a taperd flywheel it has to be machined flat.After 10,000 km it would be bedded in.You will probably have voided the warranty as you did not machine the flywheel its clearly marked in the box that it is required and for the 40 dollars is a good start for a new clutch plate face to drive on.The shudder may be an engine mount soft or seperated.Or a rear main or gearbox leak on to the clutch plate.Gotta get out there. Debbie and Mike
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Follow Up By: howesy - Saturday, May 24, 2003 at 13:23

Saturday, May 24, 2003 at 13:23
Howesy here. Unfortunately because the engine was being replaced as a waranty job when the mechacic stuffed it then I was at his mercy. I offered to pay for machining and even supplied the pistons so as I would get good quality instead of cheap and nasty. He accepted the pistons (why wouldn't he) and insisted the flywheel was right. Needless to say He has lost a customer for good it was the 1st and last experience with him.
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Reply By: ThePublican - Saturday, May 24, 2003 at 19:44

Saturday, May 24, 2003 at 19:44
No mechanical technicalities from me on this subject,, reading other replies you are in a VERY good position to take your so called mechanic to arbitration/small claims/court for recompense,,,Plain and simple SUE THE ----------- insert word of choice..
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Follow Up By: howesy - Saturday, May 24, 2003 at 20:09

Saturday, May 24, 2003 at 20:09
I hear what you say. I had to go through the motions of a hearing before the M.V.R.I.C before he came to an agreement to fix the engine that failed due to him cutting corners, so what are my chances of getting more from him when I have had it back to him already for leaking manifolds oil leaks and incorrectly seated injectors. I was not close to home when I needed work done and chose the wrong man . OWNER BEWARE !! Choose your repairer very carefully, this man has cost me a lot of heartache and aroung $2500. on goose chases when he blamed everything but his own workmanship. Anyone want to buy a used Hilux ? Only kidding seems fine for the moment stay tuned
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Reply By: Phil G - Saturday, May 24, 2003 at 20:04

Saturday, May 24, 2003 at 20:04
I wouldn't be too hard on the mechanic.

You've modified your Hilux by fitting the turbo. Your clutch may not be up to the extra power and torque. Its all part of having an aftermarket turbo.

The newer clutches (no asbestos) often give that burning smell when you fang them a bit hard in the sand, often in too high a gear. Just need to revise your driving. I can get that smell out of my Prado's clutch - it just tells me to back off.
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Follow Up By: howesy - Saturday, May 24, 2003 at 20:16

Saturday, May 24, 2003 at 20:16
Turbo was fitted for three years with a standard clutch with no problems under mor load and that clutch was in for 250000km and looked fine when pulled out so I would say my driving isnt the problem. You have got to have witnessed this mechanic to believe it, some are good and some are s__t. I am also running low boost
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Reply By: Phil G - Saturday, May 24, 2003 at 22:29

Saturday, May 24, 2003 at 22:29
Howsey,

How did the mechanic stuff the motor? Just interested, because I had a motor stuffed once before by a fitter dropping a rubber thing into the air cleaner.
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Follow Up By: howesy - Tuesday, May 27, 2003 at 19:21

Tuesday, May 27, 2003 at 19:21
ORIGINALLY A PLASTIC FITTING CRACKED AND LET OUT THE WATER AND THE CAR GOT HOT. AFTER IT COOLED IT WAS IDLING FUNNY AND WITH A DIESEL I TAKE NO CHANCES SO HAD IT TAKEN TO A MECHANIC. HE DIAGNOSED A SLIGHTLY BLOWN HEAD GASKET AND CHARGED 1300 TO DO A FULL HEAD SERVIVE . ONLY TROUBLE WAS THAT MY MOTOR WAS IN SUCH GOOD COND (i change the oil every five weeks) HE THOUGHT HE WOULD CUT CORNERS AND JUST SKIMMED THE HEAD AND REFITTED IT, UNFORNUATELY THE HEAD SKIM LOOSENED THE PRECOMBUSTION CHAMBERS AND RIGHT AWAY YOU COULD HAER AN UNUSUAL TOP END NOISE. HE BLAMED EVERYTHING ELSE AND HAD ME SPEND BIG MONEY AT INJECTION SPECIALISTS ETC. EVENTUALLY A CHAMBER DISLODGED AND DISINTERGRATED THE MOTOR AND THEN IT GOT DIRTY.
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Reply By: Eric from Cape York Connections - Sunday, May 25, 2003 at 07:31

Sunday, May 25, 2003 at 07:31
Did the same mechanic who stuffed it rebuild it . Just interested.
Hope it all works out ok
All the best
Eric
www.capeyorkconnections.com.au
07 4094 1745
02 4294 3496Cape York Connections
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Follow Up By: howesy - Tuesday, May 27, 2003 at 19:25

Tuesday, May 27, 2003 at 19:25
Unfortunately yes its the same guy. when you go to fair trading they refer you to MVRIC and they insist that you must give them the opportunity to fix it. so while ever they say I will fix it there is nothing you can do but keep your fingers crossed
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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Sunday, May 25, 2003 at 21:55

Sunday, May 25, 2003 at 21:55
howesy posted this followup

I hear what you say. I had to go through the motions of a hearing before the M.V.R.I.C before he came to an agreement to fix the engine that failed due to him cutting corners,

I think you answered this yourself here.. he cut corners last time, Im thinkin it was all too much work for him to send the flywheel off for 2 hours to get machined.

Screw him again. Take it back tot he MVRIC. bleep him.
Hes done you no favors.

Have you been back to him with your problems?????

try Safarithey are in bayswater Melbourne.
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Follow Up By: howesy - Tuesday, May 27, 2003 at 19:27

Tuesday, May 27, 2003 at 19:27
to be honest i really dont want him anywhere near my car anymore , i think it would be less heartache to find solutions with someone else
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Tuesday, May 27, 2003 at 20:37

Tuesday, May 27, 2003 at 20:37
No, screw him.

it could cost him BIG time.. well worth it.

I know what you mean about not wanting him to work on it again, but why dish out another $1000+ for no reason?
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