Toyota slaps a freeze on sales of new 4WD

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but then you read it and its a RAV4.. :rofl:

but they have a "customer first" committee.. wow, and stopping bringing in faulty cars, imagine this with the grenade!


Toyota slaps a freeze on sales of new 4WD
October 30, 2007

TOYOTA has again been hit by an embarrassing fault in a new model.

All Australian dealers are being ordered to stop selling the new V6-powered RAV4 compact four-wheel-drive.

The latest problem has emerged only days after one of the Japanese group's directors admitted that the company's response to vehicle quality problems "was not perfect". Toyota issued the freeze order on the RAV4 V6 following concerns about the car's drivability.

Details of the exact fault were not available last night, but a Toyota spokesman said it was not a safety issue.

It is the latest in a string of quality-related problems to hit Toyota this year, in Australia and overseas, and reflects the problems that come with growing rapidly year after year. Toyota directors were so concerned that two years ago they formed the Customer First committee, executive vice-president Mitsuo Kino bleep a told The Age last week in Tokyo.

"Two years ago, vehicle problems increased so much at that time we decided to establish the CF committee," he said.

"We have been doing that for two years and, as a result, the quality is getting better and the recall level is comparatively decreasing." Apart from the pressures of having to rapidly increase production, Mr Kino bleep a said a major source of problems was the increasing use of electronics and, in particular, integrated circuit boards, in cars.

Toyota has had to build at least two factories a year to keep pace with its growth, Mr Kino bleep a said.

It had even created its own "university", the Toyota Institute, where managers from around the world were taught "the Toyota way" of building cars.

The RAV4 freeze on sales comes only a month after Toyota Australia was forced to halt sales of its locally developed, supercharged V6 Aurion TRD sedan after the engine in one of the early models failed.

That was traced to over-enthusiastic driving by a dealer.

Earlier in the year, Toyota was forced to halt sales of the new Corolla range after it was found an incorrectly fitted stay allowed the steering column to slump to its lowest position
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Reply By: donks1 - Tuesday, Oct 30, 2007 at 08:29

Tuesday, Oct 30, 2007 at 08:29
I like how the system bleeps his name.

Thats a bit touchy isn't it.


Donks
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Reply By: marq - Tuesday, Oct 30, 2007 at 09:25

Reply By: Mr Pointyhead - Tuesday, Oct 30, 2007 at 09:50

Tuesday, Oct 30, 2007 at 09:50
Sounds like toyota "LEAN" cost cutting programme is coming back to bite them.

In short "LEAN" is about cutting costs by reducing service levels to only what the customer pays for rather than the old TQM of continuous quality improvement that Demming introduced to Japan post war.


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Reply By: Mr Pointyhead - Tuesday, Oct 30, 2007 at 09:50

Tuesday, Oct 30, 2007 at 09:50
Sounds like toyota "LEAN" cost cutting programme is coming back to bite them.

In short "LEAN" is about cutting costs by reducing service levels to only what the customer pays for rather than the old TQM of continuous quality improvement that Demming introduced to Japan post war.


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Follow Up By: Batman69 - Tuesday, Oct 30, 2007 at 13:35

Tuesday, Oct 30, 2007 at 13:35
Mr Pointyhead,

Your post is fundamentally wrong.

There is no "toyota "LEAN" cost cutting programme" there is the Toyota Production System, which is the basis of modern Lean Manufacturing. Many of Demings famous 14 points can be demonstrated in lean manufacturing principles.

Lean Manufacturing, a term coined by Womack and Jones is about reducing waste or MUDA, not reducing service levels (that is unless the services add no value to the supply chain). Although I would like to know what service levels you refer to?

The benefits of TPS or Lean manufacturing improve quality and reduce waste.

Here is an excerpt from the Toyota website...

Toyota Motor Corporation's vehicle production system is a way of "making things" that is sometimes referred to as a "lean manufacturing system" or a "Just-in-Time (JIT) system," and has come to be well known and studied worldwide.
This production control system has been established based on many years of continuous improvements, with the objective of "making the vehicles ordered by customers in the quickest and most efficient way, in order to deliver the vehicles as quickly as possible."
The Toyota Production System (TPS) was established based on two concepts: The first is called "jidoka"(which can be loosely translated as "automation with a human touch") which means that when a problem occurs, the equipment stops immediately, preventing defective products from being produced; The second is the concept of "Just-in-Time," in which each process produces only what is needed by the next process in a continuous flow.

Based on the basic philosophies of jidoka and Just-in-Time, the TPS can efficiently and quickly produce vehicles of sound quality, one at a time, that fully satisfy customer requirements.

Regards,

Steve.



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Follow Up By: Mr Pointyhead - Tuesday, Oct 30, 2007 at 16:00

Tuesday, Oct 30, 2007 at 16:00
My comments are based on experience with customer service organisations that have implemented the "LEAN" program. So maybe my view of LEAN is based upon a faulty implementation of it.

In those cases part of LEAN is about removing waste, where waste is interperate as delivering a level of service beyond what the customer pays for.

Hence, in the case of a manfacturer this could be interpreted as delivering a level quality beyond what the customer has paid for, rather than the best quality the manfacturer can deliver for the cost.

So in this case I am not referring to manfacturers trying to reduce their costs through efficiency gains, more reducing their costs through deliberate quality reduction in their products down to what they regard is the minimum the customers will readily accept. Any shortfall is then made up by more spending on marketing so the consumers do not notice the reduction in real quality

In the case of Toy I would really hope this is not the case, as the quality and reliability of their product is a major reason we purchase them.

Anyway, at the end it is all just "IMHO" anyway, for what that is worth.
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Follow Up By: Batman69 - Tuesday, Oct 30, 2007 at 16:39

Tuesday, Oct 30, 2007 at 16:39
Mr Pointyhead,

No doubt when Lean Manufacturing priciples are implemented incorrectly or without considering a whole system approach the results can be less than successful, it is a shame your experience is a negative one.

However when it comes to true Lean manufacturing, Toyota are the benchmark that others, including all Australian car manufacturers strive to emulate.

It is neither a Lean principle nor good business sense to reduce costs via quality reduction in goods and services, especially when customers have grown accustomed to a quality product or service and expect it as a matter of course. Businesses that practise this method of cost cutting do so at their own peril.

I get the feeling from Toyota's response to the RAV4 issue - that is to hold sales on a vehicle they have spent countless thousands of dollars advertising and developing, is as strong a demonstration of their committment to product quality that you can get.

They could have done nothing and recalled all the vehicles post sales, or done what Nissan have done with the early 3.0litre TD Patrol and pretended there was no issue at all.

One thing for sure it will be interesting to see what the real issues are, and if the new Rav4 recovers from this setback to sell in any great numbers.

Regards,

Steve.
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Follow Up By: jdwynn (SA) - Tuesday, Oct 30, 2007 at 21:33

Tuesday, Oct 30, 2007 at 21:33
Sorry guys but I cant ignore the way you yota fanatics carry on.

"what Nissan have done with the early 3.0litre TD Patrol and pretended there was no issue at all" - utter rubbish. Yes there have been some major problems but its a red hot issue and it's made very public when it happens. But where's the credit for the improvement - apparently you have follow the issue to be aware of it. I know so many people with zd30's (family, club etc), and not one first hand experience of a blown piston.

I have witnessed first hand numerous broken cruiser diff's - how long has that problem been around now (started with 80 series to my knowledge). I keep hearing about common rail diesel problems in 120 series. A few months ago there were several reports on this site of the new cruiser V8 desiel piston implosions. What about the infamous 100 series independent suspension problems.

My business has only owned yota's. my current vehicle has so many problems it will be my last.

Carry on yota owners, carry on........
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Follow Up By: Member - Borgy.. (SA) - Tuesday, Oct 30, 2007 at 22:59

Tuesday, Oct 30, 2007 at 22:59
Dont be silly Jdwynn...TOYOTAS dont have problems... Never!!! Its just us silly Nissan owners that think that way....S h i t!! now id better duck for cover ........Cheers........Dave
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Follow Up By: Batman69 - Wednesday, Oct 31, 2007 at 13:31

Wednesday, Oct 31, 2007 at 13:31
jdwynn,

You obviously have a knack for reading things into posts that aren't there! This thread that Mr Pointyhead and I were discussing was more on the merits of Lean Manufacturing, perhaps you should re read.

As for your "utter rubbish" call, ring Nissan and ask them if there was ever an issue regarding early 3.0lt Patrols. I bet they won't cop to it. As for first hand experience, I had my share with my GU 3.0ltTD, where do I start, intercooler problems, EGR problems, fuel injection pump problems, gearbox noises getting worse by the km. Thankfully I got rid of it before it went bang. Yes I have seen first hand experience of blown pistons, three different cars in fact.

Yes I own a Toyota, it's my third, I also own a Falcon, my fourth Ford. I have only ever owned one Nissan - NEVER AGAIN!

Vehicle choice is personal, so I won't make comment on your choice, however, make sure you know what you are talking about before posting. I will restate, the thread with Mr Pointyhead was more on Lean Manufacturing (something Toyota does better than most in the world) than a Toyota Vehicle Love fest.

Get over it.

Regards,

Steve.
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Reply By: TerraFirma - Tuesday, Oct 30, 2007 at 10:23

Tuesday, Oct 30, 2007 at 10:23
It's only a RAV 4, WTF cares..? LOL
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Reply By: Des Lexic - Tuesday, Oct 30, 2007 at 10:33

Tuesday, Oct 30, 2007 at 10:33
Just imagine Nissan's response if they admitted to building a handgrenade. "I think we'll stick our heads into the sand a bit deeper and maybe the problem will go away"
At least Toyota is pro-active
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Reply By: Rock Crawler - Tuesday, Oct 30, 2007 at 10:41

Tuesday, Oct 30, 2007 at 10:41
Funny how Nissan ownes spend there time to find info to bag Toyotas lol .

Bit like I want to look at the splinter in your eye so i forget about the log in mine lol

When you get a better motor than the available 3 l . come ans see me lol
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Reply By: Patrol22 - Tuesday, Oct 30, 2007 at 17:59

Tuesday, Oct 30, 2007 at 17:59
Bugger I lost the bet!!! I bet my mate that it would only take 3 posts before this became a Toyota - Nissan slanging match....I lost. C'mon you guys you have to be quicker than that:-)
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