Lightweight caravan options

Submitted: Tuesday, Oct 30, 2007 at 17:44
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A complete novice here, but the wife has instructed me to investigate our caravanning options. So I'm looking at what I can legally and safely tow with my current vehicle:

4 cyl 2.0L engine
Max torque 187nM (3200rpm)
Unladen mass kg 1415

Towing specs:
Max. towball download 90 kg
With brakes 1300 kg
With load distribution hitch 130 kg
Without brakes 710 kg

^^^ What does all this mean? Is this saying my maximum towball download with load distribution hitch is 130kg? Or am I reading this wrong?

Found the following caravan that looked interesting. Would be interested in comments as to whether this can be safely towed by the said vehicle above.

Altea 432 PX
910kg Tare / 1,300kg ATM

Thanks in advance.
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Reply By: Andrew from Vivid Adventures - Tuesday, Oct 30, 2007 at 17:54

Tuesday, Oct 30, 2007 at 17:54
It is unusual to mention a load distribution hitch, but that would be all I could think that would be relevant.

If you want my short answer, "You'd be mad".

Chances are you couldn't travel in it reasonably and keep your load to 390kg anyways.

Why do you want to do it? It would be false economy because the poor old 4 cyl would be chewing through the juice, overworked and unloved and would fail quickly.
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Follow Up By: Member - DAZA (QLD) - Tuesday, Oct 30, 2007 at 18:16

Tuesday, Oct 30, 2007 at 18:16
Hi All
What type of tow vehicle is it?

What is the description of the caravan?

Daza
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Follow Up By: garbage - Tuesday, Oct 30, 2007 at 18:26

Tuesday, Oct 30, 2007 at 18:26
Hi Andrew,

Appreciate the input. My car is still fairly new, so I'd prefer to not trade up for a 6 cyl or 4WD if at all possible.

With the 390kg I have to play with, would this be chewed up by the fridge, mattress, water and other bits and pieces in the van? If we assume the water tank is empty, the 60L fridge is full and the drawers have all the usual - clothes, pots, pans, cutlery, etc, am I over 390kg?
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Follow Up By: garbage - Tuesday, Oct 30, 2007 at 18:31

Tuesday, Oct 30, 2007 at 18:31
Daza, the tow vehicle is a Subaru Liberty 2.0L. The caravan is a 4 person van called the Altea 432 PX made in Slovenia or something. This isn't necessarily the one I'm eyeing, it's just the first suitable one that's come up on a web search :)
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Follow Up By: disco1942 - Wednesday, Oct 31, 2007 at 23:57

Wednesday, Oct 31, 2007 at 23:57
Andrew

"It is unusual to mention a load distribution hitch, but that would be all I could think that would be relevant."

This is becoming more common. Car manufacturers are starting to acknowledge that WDH really is necessary when towing large vans.

"Chances are you couldn't travel in it reasonably and keep your load to 390kg anyways."

If he purchases an Australian van he will only get a 300 kg load allowance. (The largest dual axle vans only make allowance to carry 400kg - unless you specially order one to carry more.)

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Reply By: Mogul - Tuesday, Oct 30, 2007 at 19:37

Tuesday, Oct 30, 2007 at 19:37
Maybe something along the lines of a Cub Spacevan might be more suitable.

www.cubcampers.com.au
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Reply By: Trevor R (QLD) - Tuesday, Oct 30, 2007 at 20:38

Tuesday, Oct 30, 2007 at 20:38
Hi garbage,

I owned a Viscount Nipper, many years ago. It weighed 590 kg tare, was 10ft 6 inch long and I believe it was most suitable to all 4cyl vehicles. They are not a new van but there is plenty around, if you like the style, in second hand yards. Ball weight of this van was only about 60 - 80 kg, easily lifted by one person at the front.

Most of your single axle vans will only have a load capacity of 300kg. That is quite a lot when it comes down to it, except if you plan to live in the van on the road for extended periods.

Your Liberty would make a great tow vehicle in my opinion, does it have air shocks/self levelling setup as some of the older ones did?

Regards, Trevor.
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Follow Up By: garbage - Tuesday, Oct 30, 2007 at 23:37

Tuesday, Oct 30, 2007 at 23:37
Hi Trevor,

Does the Viscount Nipper sleep at least 3?

The Liberty doesn't have self levelling rear suspension and it's got coil suspension front and rear. The engine itself is pretty small for a car of that weight.

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Follow Up By: 96 GXL 80 series - Tuesday, Oct 30, 2007 at 23:56

Tuesday, Oct 30, 2007 at 23:56
Can you find a tent with wheels under each pole?

Hook a rope around it and away you go.
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Follow Up By: disco1942 - Wednesday, Oct 31, 2007 at 23:49

Wednesday, Oct 31, 2007 at 23:49
Garbage

Depends on the model of Nipper. If it has a dinette then this folds down to form a single bed. There are some that just have two single beds and a table is erected between these for a dining table, the only way to convert these is to sling a cot berth over one of the beds. I have seen a couple of Nippers where a pipe cot has been slung over the dinette to make a 4 berth van.

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Reply By: disco driver - Wednesday, Oct 31, 2007 at 01:06

Wednesday, Oct 31, 2007 at 01:06
Hi Garbage,
If your Subaru Liberty is an auto, it may pay to have an oil cooler fitted to the transmission. The 2.5 Forester recommends this and a tow pack as well.
Back to your caravan question, there are a number of small locally manufactured lightweight vans around. Some of them may be a bit older than you want but there is nothing wrong with an older unit if it has been well maintained. (My van is a 1982 Viscount poptop which was one owner when I bought it and immaculately maintained--Guess I was lucky).
Again there are a couple of imported European vans,Giest is one of them, than are much lighter than the corresponding length locals, pricey though.

My suggestion is to look for a twin berth with a collapsing table in the dining area to make up the third bunk. They are out there but you will have to keep looking in every caravan yard you see

Make sure that you don't take the salesmans work for the nett weight of the van, or the numbers painted on the van itself. When you find a van that interests you get it weighed at a public weighbridge to ensyre that it's not too heavy. (Anything less than 750kg net should be OK for the Liberty but it will, as others have said, be working fairly hard when towing.

Hope this lengthy posting is of some assistance in your search.

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Follow Up By: garbage - Wednesday, Oct 31, 2007 at 21:44

Wednesday, Oct 31, 2007 at 21:44
Thanks for the tips Disco, especially the one about actually weighing the van.
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