A Warning for anyone wanting to Visit Mount Connor

he dosn't happen to own the only tyre place in town does he??? LOL

What a pr**k!!

fair enough but to charge $50 per person for a short tour by him...now he can go blow his....

Laura

Hmmm, sounds as though someone needs to fix this guy up, maybe plant some phantom traps for his own tyres to embrace

Yep I had heard many times that Mt conner was sooo mch better than Ayres rock because it was uncomercialize etc. So I pulled into Curtain spring an got the info that the priceto see Mt conner makes ayres rock look like a bargain!
Just another case of 4by mags not having a clue

Uncle must get there some way or other... maybe I will pay $50 and go on his tour.

Interesting question is whether Uncle and/or Curtin Springs have any rights in the question... Mulga Park Road is surely a very public road, and I've thought about it fifty times if once, of heading out there, but have never gotten around to doing my homework.

Are the Curtin Springs mob the same as the Imanpa mob?

Cheers
Andrew.

I wonder if the Tax man knows what he is charging?

You wouldn't want him in the Gubberment, other wise fuel prices would be fixed in his area $10.00 per lt.

He definitely needs sorting out big time.

That is vandalism at it's best and deliberate at that.

If the guy really admitted to setting traps, you should make a complaint to the police. It is a serious offence to interfere with a vehicle and a moral outrage. If a tyre did not go flat at the moment of contact with the trap but damaged enough to blow when later driving at speed......

Ont top of that the bloke is an idiot. Someone will damge his property back more that it is worth if they get caught out.

Owen

Has anyone ever noticed that the signs (official government ones) on the Lasseter Highway about the Mount Connor lookout are variously spelt "Connor" and "Conner"... I believe Connor is correct, but it is entertaining nonetheless.

I wonder what liability there would be if someone stood on one of those spikes. They sound like 'man traps' which must not be legal. Sounds like something a 'terrorist' would do !

Ok here is the go with the Trespass
here's the link:http://sblegal.industry.gov.au/legalareawhatisit.asp?legalareaid=116

here is what said:
Legal Issues Guide for Small Business
Legal Topic: Liability
Legal Area: Trespass
Trespass is committed if a person unlawfully and without consent, enters or stays, or throws or leaves something, on a person's land.

The person entitled to take the action is usually the occupier of the property. Although this is usually the owner if the property was leased, the person entitled to take the action would be the tenant.

Trespass may also be committed if there are intrusions in the airspace above the land or into the earth below.

The remedies are usually damages and/or an injunction.


BUT, BUT, BUT YOUR HONOUR!!!!!!

http://sblegal.industry.gov.au/legalareawhatisit.asp?legalareaid=116

Legal Issues Guide for Small Business
Legal Topic: Liability
Legal Area: Trespass
Relevant Legal Issue: Damages
In an action for trespass, damages may be awarded simply to compensate the party bringing the action for trespass (the plaintiff) for the infringement on their rights.

Alternatively, where the trespass is to property or a person and loss and damage or injury is caused as a result of the trespass, a court may order that damages be paid not only to compensate the plaintiff for the infringement on their rights, but also to compensate them for the damage to property or injury to persons suffered. The types of damages which may be claimed are the same as under the general law of negligence ( See Damages for tort (negligence, negligent misstatement, nuisance, trespass, occupiers liability defective goods and defamation) ).

http://sblegal.industry.gov.au/search.asp


So correct me if I am wrong, if you trespass you are liable for damages, unless your property was damaged by unlawful trespass you can claim compesation for damages to people and property, as-well as being fined, also to if the person Hasn't advised of private property and advised that he has laid Vehicle traps which unless you have a permit or written autority for someone then that person who laid them has and can be prosecuted with the full force of the law for breaching negligence laws and such making a area that is in a remote part of the Australian outback liable for any injury or death suffered by premeditated actions which then translate into pre-meditated murder if somebody died due to his negligence of laying traps and not advising of the said traps?????
Also to if you set traps for people or vehicles you are illegally hunting? Also to if he has set traps for vehicles and animals are also in the same area he is then liable for any and every native Protected species that injure them selves on his trap and hence should be charge with willful neglect of native flora and fuana, pre-meditated murder which brings a life sentence, wilful destruction of property, failing to seek proper permits, failing to advise to the best of his intentions to discourage people from entering private property, attempted manslaughter, building a device to cause grevious bodily harm, wilful damage to property, negligence occasioning injury and/or death, littering and my favoruite, grevious bodily harm occasioning DEATH??????

Now if any of you out there are silictors please correct me if I am wrong???
Lets see if this is the case, i would love to know, because i for one would love to talk to this chappie regarding this grosse neglect of australia and its land!!!!

Off my soap box again....

Damn someone smash it up!!!!


I am no Lawyer or soliciter or barrister!!!

But I am calling how i see it???

Legalities:

Curtin Springs is a Pastoral Lease. The NT Pastoral Lands Act applies. Travelling on Crown Lands is not going to be successfully prosecuted as tresspass.

The act makes provision for reasonable public access to features of public interest - there is no doubt Mt Conner would be that.

It also empowers the Minister to declare an area of pastoral land to be a feature of public interest and to nominate a route for
public access.

To date there have been no nominations of public access routes across pastoral land to provide access to waterways or features of public interest.

Unfortunately the NT Act doesn't work effectively in this area, and whilst there was a review in 2004, to my knowledge nothing happened to fix this issue and others identified in the Act. There are a lot of legal issues - mostly to do with roads, and liability for pastoralists.

In short, Curtin Springs should provide reasonable access... if they have tracks there, and people are willing to sign a document indemnifying them if anything went wrong, then people should have freedom to access it, subject to not upsetting their pastoral activities, the homestead, leaving rubbish - etc.

In practice, CS probably know that once they permit one, the hoards will start doing it, and it will be a nightmare.

They can refuse... then it is up to someone to go chase down the Minister and for sure that would require lobbying et al. Their refusal would not be on satisfactory grounds, in this case I would think, but it would need someone with the energy to challenge it with the Minister.

4WD associations in SA and elsewhere have been focused on these issues successfully in the past - perhaps they could focus on this issue in the NT.

Cheers
Andrew.

better take the chopper then, thanks Stephen....:)

it is an awesome sight indeed, reminds me of "close encounters of the third kind." I've been to Devil's Tower, a closer look at Mt Conner would be great.

I have been there about 10 years ago and thought it was much better than the rock.
I wanted to take the family there on a recent trip, but was also put off by this sort of action.

Does that make my 10 year old mud map on how to get there, signed by peter himself useless or worth a fortune?

ric

A sad indictment indeed on the way things are going...I wonder what our grandkids will be allowed to visit in the Outback (if anything at all)?

I'll bust a gut to see as much as I possibly can (and do BTW!!), but having said that I have no problem in acceding to station owners' requests/desires, not to have folk traipsing across their land without due cause.

But by Crikey this country belongs to all of us. Perhaps the various govts. and station owners/managers/lessees need to take that into account.

Himble

Just try speaking to the Severins directly.

In 1988 I entered from the Mulga Park Road and drove to the base on the south side in a Mitsubishi Magna. We then had an easy walk to the trig point. The view from Mount Conner to Ayers Rock and the Olgas all in line was a sight to remember. There were containers of ashes and a visitor's book at the cairn.

I hope they pulled the trap out and bashed Mr Uncle over the head with it.

Not Uncle Mick is it?
Perhaps the trap is put there so he can "assist" any backpackers that drive over it. y know head on a stick and all that.
Just dont drink his water he offers you