LPG Question.

Submitted: Thursday, Nov 01, 2007 at 14:50
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Just went out and filled the Falcon up with 100 litres of Autogas and was wondering why is it that when I get my Camping Cylinder filled they have to loosen a screw on the valve to get the job done, yet I can fill the Falcon without having to do something similar.
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Reply By: T.D. - Thursday, Nov 01, 2007 at 15:02

Thursday, Nov 01, 2007 at 15:02
TLC
Your car gas tank has an AFL (automatic Fill Limiter) that shuts the gas off going into your tank at 85%,your gas cylinder has a tube set at 85% so when the liquid fills the cylinder to that level with the bleed screw open thats it.
The reason cylinders are only filled to 85% is that gas can expand and pop the safty relief valve if overfilled.

Hope this explains the issue.

TD
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Reply By: splits - Thursday, Nov 01, 2007 at 15:43

Thursday, Nov 01, 2007 at 15:43
TLC

TD is right but I was taught at TAFE that the limit is 80%, not that 5% either way is going to make much difference.

Liquid gas expands at 2.5 times the rate of petrol so without that air space in the tank, gas will constantly be forced out through the pressure relief valve as the outside temperature warms up each day.

Always make sure that the big flexible plastic tube that runs from the tank valve box down through the floor remains intact. If any gas is released through that valve on very hot days or if any escapes from leaks in the other valves, it will fall down through the tube onto the ground under the car. If the tube ever got knocked out of position, the gas could fill your boot and create big problems if it ignited.

One litre of liquid expands to 270 litres of gas so it does not take much to create problems.

Brian
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Follow Up By: TLC - Thursday, Nov 01, 2007 at 17:06

Thursday, Nov 01, 2007 at 17:06
Thanks T.D and splits for the info.

cheers

TLC
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Reply By: Batman69 - Thursday, Nov 01, 2007 at 19:49

Thursday, Nov 01, 2007 at 19:49
TLC,

I thought it was because at the servo the bowser actually pumps the liquified gas into your tank.

When the camping gas bottle is filled from another larger supply bottle, only the pressure of the supply bottle fills the camping gas bottle with liquified gas. If the gas isn't vented via loosening the screw, there is no way to make sure the gas bottle is full of liquified gas before the pressure in the two gas bottles equalises.

I may be completely wrong, I will wait to be corrected.

Regards,

Steve.
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Follow Up By: 2TommyGuns - Thursday, Nov 01, 2007 at 21:05

Thursday, Nov 01, 2007 at 21:05
Pretty much on the money Steve, & just to add to this thread, on the main valve the vent tube extends into the bottle the appropriate distance so if the correct procedure for filling is followed you can only fill it to the 80/85% capacity, also the correct procedure for selling gas when you refill at the local camping store should be by weight... How many times have we had a bit left in the bottle, even 1/4 full... Too bad you still pay full price for that size cyl. And as well also!!!! Saw in the paper the other day some plonker going on about the differences between LPG Auto & LPG Domestic... All doom & gloom if you used in the opposite application!!!!! I think that one was put to rest in this forum some time back... A bloke wrote in to say he had a bro in law or some really who drove an LPG tanker, did fill ups at servos local fish & chippery, any old bulk LPG cyl on the run. And while I`m here another point to go with the first post Re capcity, I`ve been running LPG for a good while now & have found that if tank is compleatly empty I can get more in than the rated capasityof the tank at least 15 lts the efficency of the delivery pump has a big bearing on this factor. Thats my fripence worth. Cheers Tommy.
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Follow Up By: T.D. - Thursday, Nov 01, 2007 at 21:52

Thursday, Nov 01, 2007 at 21:52
2TommyGuns
Having spent 40 years in the LPG industry both on the tools and in marketing let me say there is a huge difference between auto gas and camping cylinder gas. Auto is a mix of Propane and Butane up to 50/50 and camping cylinder gas is straight Propane.
The difference being that Propane boils at -44% c and Butane boils at 0%c (that is tuns from a liquid to a gas)
About the doom and gloom Tommy if you are asked to attend a Caravan one morning where a auto gas filled cylinder has been left on supplying the stove and gone out because the Butane in the cylinder would not vapourise (turn to gas) but then filled the van and put the occupants to sleep permanently you would be careful.
TD
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Follow Up By: awill4x4 - Thursday, Nov 01, 2007 at 23:58

Thursday, Nov 01, 2007 at 23:58
T.D. perhaps you could post a direct link about the gas killing the caravan occupants but I'm prepared to call it an urban myth.
The aromatics introduced during the gas production are unmistakable and the smallest amount would alert the occupants, volumes enough to kill would set alarm bells going in anyones mind well before it reached such levels.
Regards Andrew.
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Follow Up By: 2TommyGuns - Friday, Nov 02, 2007 at 00:58

Friday, Nov 02, 2007 at 00:58
TD I`m sure you`re credentials are A1 & I have no reason to disbelieve when you say there is a huge difference between domestic & auto LPG... What puzzles me though is why a bloke would come on here some time back during a debate about this very subject & say his bro in law or what ever relly it was drove the LPG tanker filling up domestic & servo LPG tanks.
A place I worked at yrs ago had Acco transit mixers on LPG, the resident fitter would regularly fill his & everyone elses domestic cyl from the auto gas with no apparent problems, plus the story about the couple in the van sounds a bit dodgy????? Why would they both go to sleep right in the middle of cooking something?????? All to much for this supreme sceptic. Cheers Tommy.
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Reply By: PradOz - Thursday, Nov 01, 2007 at 21:36

Thursday, Nov 01, 2007 at 21:36
Hi guys just to add my 2 bobs worth, i am getting LPG conversion done soon. They are fitting an 85 litre tank and quote it as a 68 litre useable tank. when you do the maths, it works out to 80 per cent useable capacity of the total capacity.

thats it - my 2 bobs worth. give you more when i am a regular experienced LPG user Cheers
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